Non-human animals are capable of suffering and their suffering is morally relevant. If we cannot agree on this point, I see no point in discussing the other matters further.
Ah, well. Here we come to the crux of the matter, yes? I certainly do not agree on this point!
Due to time constraints I only want to briefly respond to this point. Do you not agree that they can suffer or do you not agree that their suffering is morally relevant? Either is quit shocking to me actually. There is nothing morally wrong with someone kicking a dog around for fun? If you have time and are interested maybe you care to watch a few minutes of this documentary, maybe it can awaken your compassion!
Otherwise, good chat everyone. I grew tired of this quickly! In all fairness, I am lazy and you are way better at arguing! Anyways, I hope you have a good life and I will make sure to delete this account in some time.
Due to time constraints I only want to briefly respond to this point. Do you not agree that they can suffer or do you not agree that their suffering is morally relevant?
Both. (EDIT: To clarify, I do not think that [most] animals can “suffer”, in the sense in which the word applies to a category of human experience, and also, I do not think that any of the states which are described as “suffering” by those who disagree with my assessment have, when applied to animals, any moral import.)
If you have time and are interested maybe you care to watch a few minutes of this documentary, maybe it can awaken your compassion!
This is a 2-hour-long video; I’m afraid I haven’t the time to devote to something like this (especially since watching it likely to be very low-value). If there’s some particular parts of this which you think are especially relevant, please link to them directly.
Due to time constraints I only want to briefly respond to this point. Do you not agree that they can suffer or do you not agree that their suffering is morally relevant? Either is quit shocking to me actually. There is nothing morally wrong with someone kicking a dog around for fun? If you have time and are interested maybe you care to watch a few minutes of this documentary, maybe it can awaken your compassion!
Otherwise, good chat everyone. I grew tired of this quickly! In all fairness, I am lazy and you are way better at arguing! Anyways, I hope you have a good life and I will make sure to delete this account in some time.
Both. (EDIT: To clarify, I do not think that [most] animals can “suffer”, in the sense in which the word applies to a category of human experience, and also, I do not think that any of the states which are described as “suffering” by those who disagree with my assessment have, when applied to animals, any moral import.)
This is a 2-hour-long video; I’m afraid I haven’t the time to devote to something like this (especially since watching it likely to be very low-value). If there’s some particular parts of this which you think are especially relevant, please link to them directly.