Haven’t the claims of ‘concentration camps’ been discredited?
Last time I checked there’s only solid evidence for penal labor related abuses like any penal labor system, plus possibly systematic discrimination due to ‘de-radicalization’.
The former is pretty normal in the penal system of any developing country’s poorer regions such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil, etc.
The latter claims might have some merit yet the shadiness of the proponents really make it difficult to believe.
For example, there’s a lot of evidence that many people boosting these claims are ideologically/religously motivated. It also didn’t help that some of these folks, including major media outlets, backed some provably false claims and presented stuff that turned out to be fake.
I’m pretty negative on how you fail to discuss any specific claim or link to any specific evidence, but you spend your longest paragraph speculating about the supposed bias of unnamed people.
You haven’t really written enough to be clear, but I suspect that you have confused concentration camps with death or extermination camps? Regardless, the recent UN report did pretty specifically support claims of concentration camps- see points 37-57
The biases I’m referring to are not ‘supposed’ they are openly advertised by the same proponents, it’s especially obvious in the case of certain religious fundamentalist groups.
The vast majority of the genocide claims comes from a man named Adrian Zenz, or from reports written by the usual suspects Falun Gong, other US NGO’s
Is there evidence that these facilities exist? Yes
Is there any evidence that genocide and torture are happening at them? No
Is there any evidence people are being held against their will? No
There have been numerous delegations by Islamic countries that have visited these camps and found that they were just vocational training camps, the people in these camps are offered money to attend, undergo training to receive modern skills and get help afterwards finding employment.
Using common sense
If these were really death camps the word would spread extremely fast and there would be massive refugees seeking to run across the border.
This is because even a country like China, can’t simply disappear people
smartphones exist, people have friends and family that they are regularly in contact with, furthermore we are experiencing untold levels of communication than in any other time in history, not only can we record a high definition video in a device but we can send it anywhere in the blink of an eye and there are plenty of people in China doing this everyday videochatting with relatives in say the US
Haven’t the claims of ‘concentration camps’ been discredited?
Last time I checked there’s only solid evidence for penal labor related abuses like any penal labor system, plus possibly systematic discrimination due to ‘de-radicalization’.
The former is pretty normal in the penal system of any developing country’s poorer regions such as Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil, etc.
The latter claims might have some merit yet the shadiness of the proponents really make it difficult to believe.
For example, there’s a lot of evidence that many people boosting these claims are ideologically/religously motivated. It also didn’t help that some of these folks, including major media outlets, backed some provably false claims and presented stuff that turned out to be fake.
No.
I’m pretty negative on how you fail to discuss any specific claim or link to any specific evidence, but you spend your longest paragraph speculating about the supposed bias of unnamed people.
You haven’t really written enough to be clear, but I suspect that you have confused concentration camps with death or extermination camps? Regardless, the recent UN report did pretty specifically support claims of concentration camps- see points 37-57
The biases I’m referring to are not ‘supposed’ they are openly advertised by the same proponents, it’s especially obvious in the case of certain religious fundamentalist groups.
The vast majority of the genocide claims comes from a man named Adrian Zenz, or from reports written by the usual suspects Falun Gong, other US NGO’s
Is there evidence that these facilities exist? Yes
Is there any evidence that genocide and torture are happening at them? No
Is there any evidence people are being held against their will? No
There have been numerous delegations by Islamic countries that have visited these camps and found that they were just vocational training camps, the people in these camps are offered money to attend, undergo training to receive modern skills and get help afterwards finding employment.
Using common sense
If these were really death camps the word would spread extremely fast and there would be massive refugees seeking to run across the border.
This is because even a country like China, can’t simply disappear people
smartphones exist, people have friends and family that they are regularly in contact with, furthermore we are experiencing untold levels of communication than in any other time in history, not only can we record a high definition video in a device but we can send it anywhere in the blink of an eye and there are plenty of people in China doing this everyday videochatting with relatives in say the US