I would think not, if we were going on the original canon’s rules, but in the original the potion didn’t require flesh of one’s most faithful servant, otherwise Wormtail would never have done.
Eliezer may have altered the requirements to make achieving the same goal more difficult for Quirrelmort, because if he wanted to he could easily have already gathered all the ingredients the original Voldemort did, and probably without anyone noticing to boot.
Requiring the blood of one’s worst enemy would neatly preserve the thematic symmetry in this version of the potion, so in that case it would make sense if Dumbledore is the only candidate.
Eliezer may have altered the requirements to make achieving the same goal more difficult for Quirrelmort, because if he wanted to he could easily have already gathered all the ingredients the original Voldemort did, and probably without anyone noticing to boot.
First, ask yourself how you would set things up if you were Lord Voldemort. Then, reread Ch. 53.
I’m afraid I haven’t a clue how I would set things up if I were Voldemort, because I’m still not clear on what it is he’s actually trying to accomplish. Assuming I were simply trying to defeat Dumbledore, I can think of what I might have done that would explain some of Quirrel’s actions, but not others.
Actually, on second thought, if my opponent were Dumbledore, I think I do know what I’d do, because it’s a Dark Lord strategy I’ve contemplated before which seems practically tailor made to the situation.
V jbhyq neenatr sbe gur perngvba bs n erq ureevat cebcurfl juvpu bhgyvarq fhccbfrq cererdhvfvgrf sbe zl qrsrng, fb gung zl rarzvrf jbhyq ubyq bss ba nggrzcgvat gb qrsrng zr va rkcrpgngvba bs n frg bs bppheeraprf gung jbhyq cebonoyl arire unccra. Qhzoyrqber, jub oryvrirf va gur cbjre bs fgbevrf, jbhyq yvxryl nggrzcg gb shysvyy gur cebcurfl yrggre naq fcvevg, ybpxvat uvz vagb na haivnoyr fgengrtl V jbhyq or pbzcyrgryl cercnerq sbe.
Voldemort stands next to the crib of his destined enemy, the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord, the completely defenseless one year old child. The Dark Lord’s most faithful servant, Bellatrix, is waiting for him at the graveyard, near his father’s grave. One Side-Along-Apparition, and not even death will slow Voldemort down for long.
Why would Voldemort touch the baby at all, if he was aware of the danger? And if he wasn’t, why did he leave his wand to Bellatrix, why did he come alone and prepared for the ritual?
There’s also Harry’s flashback in which he learns the precise shade of avada kedavra.
Why would Bellatrix hide the wand next to Pappa Riddle’s grave? Kinda arbitrary, isn’t it? Unless that was the designated meeting place where she was supposed to wait. As Yvain pointed out, it’s possible she aquired the wand from Voldemort’s corpse, and went looking for the shade afterwards.
There are other possible meeting places beside the graveyard, the only reason I can see for going there is for the bones. It means a plan for the revival ritual was in the making, still missing an enemy. My guess is, it was a safety net thing, bring the baby there, do the deed, and if something goes wrong, instant resurrection. Who would think a simple touch of the destined enemy could kill as well.
Something did kill Voldemort, and with the safety net almost ready, it must have been something unexpected. Had everything went as planned, Voldemort wouldn’t have disappeared for ten years.
This is my guess, anyways. Still a few things unexplained. What made the scar? Voldemort’s touch? Horcroux? Also, technically, Lily died in a duel, same as James. There might not be any protection at all.
Also the AK color thing? mor!Harry saw only the one that killed Lily.
Voldemort might have vanished for ten years intentionally. It’s certainly within his power to reveal himself to his old followers now, and probably take charge of them again, but he hasn’t done so. Whatever his intentions are, it seems they’re probably not served by people being aware that he’s still around. Who knows how long he’s been possessing Quirrel?
That wouldn’t make any sense- by doing so he loses a lot of followers (Bellatrix at least was imprisoned), allows the enemy to regroup, and would make them more hopeful of winning the next time. (Who’s going to believe him, after all?)
Probably any of the Death Eaters. If you were Voldemort, would you leave yourself without a way to identify yourself to your followers whatever shape you happened to be in at the time? As for the followers who were imprisoned, remember that if canon is anything to go by, when he’s prepared to reveal himself, Voldemort could break everyone out of Azkaban.
His enemies aren’t just recuperated, they’re complacent. Do you think Voldemort could have gotten this close to Dumbledore while the war was on?
Far from making them more hopeful of winning, if he pulled off a coup against Dumbledore and did whatever it is he’s trying to do with Harry, he could very well win before his enemies even had time to assess their prospects.
A couple of scenarios I considered would suggest that Voldemort’s death was not an accident, but suicide. I can think of reasons he might have done it, but I don’t put a lot of stock in them, first because it doesn’t seem like the most practical course of action, it’s not what I would have done in the same circumstances, and second because even with every expectation that he would actually survive, considering how much he fears dying, I don’t know if Voldemort would commit an act of suicide if he could possibly avoid it.
But then what wand did Voldemort use to duel James and Lily and to cast Avada Kedavra?
It’s not really clear whether Bella knows how Voldemort died. She recognizes Harry from his scar, and it’s improbable that she could have been captured so soon after Voldemort’s death that she didn’t have time to read the newspapers. But she also says:
“My… Lord… I went where you said to await you, but you did not come… I looked for you but I could not find you...”
Which would be an odd thing to say if she knew his body had been found on the floor of Potter’s house. Maybe she knew about the horcruxes and other dark magic, and figured Voldemort losing his body would be only an inconvenience?
So either Voldy gave Bella his wand and used a different wand to duel the Potters (which meant he knew something was up and probably planned to die), or she just took the wand from the corpse or stole it from the authorities or something.
As his most faithful servant, Bella likely dismissed the possibility of Voldemort’s (permanent) death out of hand, burned corpse or not. Several people do so in canon, with her group’s torture of the Longbottoms occurring specifically because the former thought the latter had information regarding Voldemort’s location.
That wasn’t one of my ideas, actually. To know if that was viable, I would need a much more precise understanding of how prophesy actually works in this setting. My guess is that suicide would not allow him to circumvent the prophesy unless it killed him off for real, and if it was a true prophesy, then he wouldn’t kill himself off for real, because that’s not how he’s prophesied to die (not that he’d be likely to kill himself if there weren’t a prophesy.)
It’s not the prophesy I imagined Voldemort might be trying to throw off by suicide, but his enemies. If you check the rot 13 text in my earlier post, you’ll find an explanation of why the prophesy might not be trustworthy at all, but whether it is or not, note that Voldemort is now in the close circles of his most prominent enemies, none of whom seem to be aware of his true identity.
Canon!Dumbledore didn’t sacrifice himself to save Harry (and Draco) -- he was already dying, and he just arranged his death in such a way that Snape would be in the most trusted position possible, and the Elder Wand permanently deprived of a “true master”.
He failed in the latter goal.
But he was already dying because of anti-Voldemort choices he made. I’m not sure we can expect MoR!Dumbledore to make the same choices unless he sees them as a fitting end for his life (which he may not, given that he’s not Harry’s mentor figure).
Perhaps that means that Dumbledore’s blood is required instead.
I would think not, if we were going on the original canon’s rules, but in the original the potion didn’t require flesh of one’s most faithful servant, otherwise Wormtail would never have done.
Eliezer may have altered the requirements to make achieving the same goal more difficult for Quirrelmort, because if he wanted to he could easily have already gathered all the ingredients the original Voldemort did, and probably without anyone noticing to boot.
Requiring the blood of one’s worst enemy would neatly preserve the thematic symmetry in this version of the potion, so in that case it would make sense if Dumbledore is the only candidate.
First, ask yourself how you would set things up if you were Lord Voldemort. Then, reread Ch. 53.
I’m afraid I haven’t a clue how I would set things up if I were Voldemort, because I’m still not clear on what it is he’s actually trying to accomplish. Assuming I were simply trying to defeat Dumbledore, I can think of what I might have done that would explain some of Quirrel’s actions, but not others.
Actually, on second thought, if my opponent were Dumbledore, I think I do know what I’d do, because it’s a Dark Lord strategy I’ve contemplated before which seems practically tailor made to the situation.
V jbhyq neenatr sbe gur perngvba bs n erq ureevat cebcurfl juvpu bhgyvarq fhccbfrq cererdhvfvgrf sbe zl qrsrng, fb gung zl rarzvrf jbhyq ubyq bss ba nggrzcgvat gb qrsrng zr va rkcrpgngvba bs n frg bs bppheeraprf gung jbhyq cebonoyl arire unccra. Qhzoyrqber, jub oryvrirf va gur cbjre bs fgbevrf, jbhyq yvxryl nggrzcg gb shysvyy gur cebcurfl yrggre naq fcvevg, ybpxvat uvz vagb na haivnoyr fgengrtl V jbhyq or pbzcyrgryl cercnerq sbe.
V’z abg ng nyy pbasvqrag gung guvf vf jung Ibyqrzbeg vf npghnyyl qbvat gubhtu, gurer’f fgvyy n terng qrny vg jbhyq yrnir harkcynvarq.
What, nobody? Oh, well.
Voldemort stands next to the crib of his destined enemy, the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord, the completely defenseless one year old child. The Dark Lord’s most faithful servant, Bellatrix, is waiting for him at the graveyard, near his father’s grave. One Side-Along-Apparition, and not even death will slow Voldemort down for long.
Too bad he died the moment he touched the baby.
Why would Voldemort touch the baby at all, if he was aware of the danger? And if he wasn’t, why did he leave his wand to Bellatrix, why did he come alone and prepared for the ritual?
There’s also Harry’s flashback in which he learns the precise shade of avada kedavra.
Why would Bellatrix hide the wand next to Pappa Riddle’s grave? Kinda arbitrary, isn’t it? Unless that was the designated meeting place where she was supposed to wait. As Yvain pointed out, it’s possible she aquired the wand from Voldemort’s corpse, and went looking for the shade afterwards.
There are other possible meeting places beside the graveyard, the only reason I can see for going there is for the bones. It means a plan for the revival ritual was in the making, still missing an enemy. My guess is, it was a safety net thing, bring the baby there, do the deed, and if something goes wrong, instant resurrection. Who would think a simple touch of the destined enemy could kill as well.
Something did kill Voldemort, and with the safety net almost ready, it must have been something unexpected. Had everything went as planned, Voldemort wouldn’t have disappeared for ten years.
This is my guess, anyways. Still a few things unexplained. What made the scar? Voldemort’s touch? Horcroux? Also, technically, Lily died in a duel, same as James. There might not be any protection at all.
Also the AK color thing? mor!Harry saw only the one that killed Lily.
Voldemort might have vanished for ten years intentionally. It’s certainly within his power to reveal himself to his old followers now, and probably take charge of them again, but he hasn’t done so. Whatever his intentions are, it seems they’re probably not served by people being aware that he’s still around. Who knows how long he’s been possessing Quirrel?
That wouldn’t make any sense- by doing so he loses a lot of followers (Bellatrix at least was imprisoned), allows the enemy to regroup, and would make them more hopeful of winning the next time. (Who’s going to believe him, after all?)
Probably any of the Death Eaters. If you were Voldemort, would you leave yourself without a way to identify yourself to your followers whatever shape you happened to be in at the time? As for the followers who were imprisoned, remember that if canon is anything to go by, when he’s prepared to reveal himself, Voldemort could break everyone out of Azkaban.
His enemies aren’t just recuperated, they’re complacent. Do you think Voldemort could have gotten this close to Dumbledore while the war was on?
Far from making them more hopeful of winning, if he pulled off a coup against Dumbledore and did whatever it is he’s trying to do with Harry, he could very well win before his enemies even had time to assess their prospects.
Well, because the prophecy didn’t say “The touch of the Chosen One will instantly annihilate bad guys”.
The world would be a better place if (true) prophecies did say that.
A couple of scenarios I considered would suggest that Voldemort’s death was not an accident, but suicide. I can think of reasons he might have done it, but I don’t put a lot of stock in them, first because it doesn’t seem like the most practical course of action, it’s not what I would have done in the same circumstances, and second because even with every expectation that he would actually survive, considering how much he fears dying, I don’t know if Voldemort would commit an act of suicide if he could possibly avoid it.
Chapter 53 strongly indicates that Voldemort had left his wand with Bellatrix at the graveyard; where she hid it before she left.
This strongly implies that he knew there was atleast a high chance of being incapacitated in some way; and he didn’t want his wand taken by aurors.
But then what wand did Voldemort use to duel James and Lily and to cast Avada Kedavra?
It’s not really clear whether Bella knows how Voldemort died. She recognizes Harry from his scar, and it’s improbable that she could have been captured so soon after Voldemort’s death that she didn’t have time to read the newspapers. But she also says:
“My… Lord… I went where you said to await you, but you did not come… I looked for you but I could not find you...”
Which would be an odd thing to say if she knew his body had been found on the floor of Potter’s house. Maybe she knew about the horcruxes and other dark magic, and figured Voldemort losing his body would be only an inconvenience?
So either Voldy gave Bella his wand and used a different wand to duel the Potters (which meant he knew something was up and probably planned to die), or she just took the wand from the corpse or stole it from the authorities or something.
As his most faithful servant, Bella likely dismissed the possibility of Voldemort’s (permanent) death out of hand, burned corpse or not. Several people do so in canon, with her group’s torture of the Longbottoms occurring specifically because the former thought the latter had information regarding Voldemort’s location.
Any reasoning from Bella’s apparent knowledge should take into account the Dementor-induced censoring of good memories, (e.g., sun, clouds).
Perhaps she can still remember parts of the plans that went wrong without remembering the successful parts.
Pettigrew’s?
Oh my! That’s an interesting point. What if his suicide was a way of short-circuiting the Prophecy?
I’m assuming that’s what your scenario is, and it’s brilliant.
That wasn’t one of my ideas, actually. To know if that was viable, I would need a much more precise understanding of how prophesy actually works in this setting. My guess is that suicide would not allow him to circumvent the prophesy unless it killed him off for real, and if it was a true prophesy, then he wouldn’t kill himself off for real, because that’s not how he’s prophesied to die (not that he’d be likely to kill himself if there weren’t a prophesy.)
It’s not the prophesy I imagined Voldemort might be trying to throw off by suicide, but his enemies. If you check the rot 13 text in my earlier post, you’ll find an explanation of why the prophesy might not be trustworthy at all, but whether it is or not, note that Voldemort is now in the close circles of his most prominent enemies, none of whom seem to be aware of his true identity.
Father’s bones are buried inside Bella? That’s twisted but so is Voldemort.
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V pna’g frr jung Ibyqrzbeg tnvaf ol sbepvat gur vffhr abj, gubhtu. V vzntvar cbjreshy jvmneqf qb abg eryvadhvfu gurve oybbq rnfvyl, rfcrpvnyyl qhevat onggyr. Ur pna’g enafbz Uneel vs Uneel’f znva hfr gb Qhzoyrqber vf xvyyvat Ibyqrzbeg.
Gur zbfg frafvoyr cyna V pna pbzr hc jvgu vf Ibyqrzbeg jvyy fnpevsvpr Dhveery va sebag bs Uneel, fb n jrqtr vf qevira orgjrra Uneel naq Qhzoyrqber, naq abj ur gnxrf bire fbzr bgure uncyrff mbzovr gb thvqr Uneel shegure, naq Oryyngevk vf bhg bs Nmxnona naq va fbzr snenjnl ynaq (jurer V vzntvar gur Zvavfgel pbhyq fgvyy svaq ure).
Canon!Dumbledore didn’t sacrifice himself to save Harry (and Draco) -- he was already dying, and he just arranged his death in such a way that Snape would be in the most trusted position possible, and the Elder Wand permanently deprived of a “true master”. He failed in the latter goal.
But he was already dying because of anti-Voldemort choices he made. I’m not sure we can expect MoR!Dumbledore to make the same choices unless he sees them as a fitting end for his life (which he may not, given that he’s not Harry’s mentor figure).