It seems that most posts voted down to −1 will get voted back up by people considering −1 unfair—even though, IIRC, the point of the karma system was to register your individual opinion, not to push towards any particular finite value.
On the other hand, most of the incentive effect from votes on a post probably comes from the very first votes.
It seems that most posts voted down to −1 will get voted back up by people considering −1 unfair—even though, IIRC, the point of the karma system was to register your individual opinion, not to push towards any particular finite value.
I know my own voting behaviour is influenced somewhat by the current karma of the comment and I’m ok with others using the same policy*. An advantage is that it has a somewhat stabilizing influence. It means that a only slightly bad comment on a topic that everyone is interest doesn’t spiral downwards while an absolutely terrible comment in a topic that nobody is following closely just gets a couple of downvotes.
*Come to think of it I’m ok with people doing whatever the heck they please—since I expect them to do so regardless of any norm anyway and just change the justification they give to themselves. It saves on disappointment.
Would overnight be enough? How many bytes would it need to retrieve? (I’m considering the practicality of using a script/program to cancel an account’s votes and recast them from another account; upvotes (also subscriptions) initially and downvotes once enough karma is earned.)
Probably, and note that I’m talking here about the wedrifid account. At last count wedrifid had more comments than any other and also likely exposure and votes on more comments than most.
How many bytes would it need to retrieve?
Less than a gigabyte is my estimate. If your account has only been around for a year or two you can likely save time/downloads there too.
(I’m considering the practicality of using a script/program to cancel an account’s votes and recast them from another account; upvotes (also subscriptions) initially and downvotes once enough karma is earned.)
Interesting thought. That certainly seems possible. If you do create it for your own use may I perhaps suggest that you never release it to others? While automatically cancelling votes and casting them from a different account is perfectly fine a single line of code commented out makes this same script into a troll-sockpuppet nightmare.
Probably, and note that I’m talking here about the wedrifid account. At last count wedrifid had more comments than any other and also likely exposure and votes on more comments than most.
Isn’t that irrelevant, since a vote-counting script would have to check every comment on the site regardless?
Isn’t that irrelevant, since a vote-counting script would have to check every comment on the site regardless?
I was allowing for an imperfect optimisation of your ‘move account’ script where you don’t bother checking posts from years before you arrived. Most of the votes can be expected to be on more recent content so returns would be diminishing the further back you go. Obviously this doesn’t work well with all possible usage patterns so mileage may vary.
I got it now. Specifically, the comments I have downvoted will have the “class” attribute set to “down mod” on the anchor text “Vote down” (which causes the anchor text to be bolded) whereas the comments I have not downvoted will have it set to “down”.
Ditto. It feels like I downvote significantly more than I usefully comment, but I have no way of checking the balance.
Yes
It seems that most posts voted down to −1 will get voted back up by people considering −1 unfair—even though, IIRC, the point of the karma system was to register your individual opinion, not to push towards any particular finite value.
On the other hand, most of the incentive effect from votes on a post probably comes from the very first votes.
I know my own voting behaviour is influenced somewhat by the current karma of the comment and I’m ok with others using the same policy*. An advantage is that it has a somewhat stabilizing influence. It means that a only slightly bad comment on a topic that everyone is interest doesn’t spiral downwards while an absolutely terrible comment in a topic that nobody is following closely just gets a couple of downvotes.
*Come to think of it I’m ok with people doing whatever the heck they please—since I expect them to do so regardless of any norm anyway and just change the justification they give to themselves. It saves on disappointment.
Not exactly true. I could check it by spending 10 minutes writing a script then leaving it to run over night...
Would overnight be enough? How many bytes would it need to retrieve? (I’m considering the practicality of using a script/program to cancel an account’s votes and recast them from another account; upvotes (also subscriptions) initially and downvotes once enough karma is earned.)
Probably, and note that I’m talking here about the wedrifid account. At last count wedrifid had more comments than any other and also likely exposure and votes on more comments than most.
Less than a gigabyte is my estimate. If your account has only been around for a year or two you can likely save time/downloads there too.
Interesting thought. That certainly seems possible. If you do create it for your own use may I perhaps suggest that you never release it to others? While automatically cancelling votes and casting them from a different account is perfectly fine a single line of code commented out makes this same script into a troll-sockpuppet nightmare.
Isn’t that irrelevant, since a vote-counting script would have to check every comment on the site regardless?
I was allowing for an imperfect optimisation of your ‘move account’ script where you don’t bother checking posts from years before you arrived. Most of the votes can be expected to be on more recent content so returns would be diminishing the further back you go. Obviously this doesn’t work well with all possible usage patterns so mileage may vary.
If you did that, though, you would no longer have a supply of downvotes to use; is that not so?
No. Not if you just count your votes on every comment ever. “just”
I can count how many downvotes I have used on top-level submissions by scraping http://lesswrong.com/user/rhollerith_dot_com/disliked/, but how would I count the downvotes I have used on comments?
(It seems that every time I reply to you it is to pick at something you wrote. I hope you do not think I’m hostile to you. I’m just curious.)
lesswrong.com/comments/; lesswrong.com/r/discussion/comments/
Every. comment. ever.
(I have not investigated what happens to deleted comment votes, a slight complication. )
I got it now. Specifically, the comments I have downvoted will have the “class” attribute set to “down mod” on the anchor text “Vote down” (which causes the anchor text to be bolded) whereas the comments I have not downvoted will have it set to “down”.
Exactly!
Of course. Forgive my denseness.