It’s not that you need a “full map of the ethical agency”, it’s that just that your setting precludes any interaction between the Martians and the humans pre-tickling.
I think there is a conflict between you saying “In this society, it is generally accepted that tickling is not something that requires consent” and saying ”… long struggled to come up with a coherent ethical theory that determines whether tickling humans is morally acceptable.”
Not requiring consent (outside of power structures like government and law enforcement) is generally a sign that there are no pressing ethical issues involved. And in reverse, a lot of ethical issues disappear if the parties can freely signal, discuss, and negotiate the rules and terms of interactions.
The simplest answer to your issue is “Ask before tickling”. Another answer is to set up a signaling system where a human can signal that he is open to tickling, does not desire tickling, or is willing to negotiate the terms of tickling. None of that requires an analysis of human ethical dilemmas.
Just allow the involved parties to exchange information pre-action.
Not all activities which displease people require consent. The analogy may be misleading because actual tickling is a physical activity and most physical activities do require consent, but if tickling is an analogy for “hitting on women (possibly in a way that appears creepy)”, then green Martian tickling doesn’t require consent, yet still displeases its recipients.
Furthermore, it makes no sense to say “let’s exchange information to find out if it’s okay to hit on someone in a way that appears creepy”. For one thing, asking if it’s okay to hit on someone is just as creepy as hitting on them. For another, since it’s a learning process, you can’t actually know ahead of time if you’ll be perceived as creepy or not (imagine Martians who gradually change color and the bluish-green ones may not know ahead of time if the humans want to be tickled by them).
Also, note that this is a thought experiment. The point of this comment is not to make a claim about the truth value of the statement “flirting is only effective if there is no explicit consent”, but to explore the ethical consequences of a world in which this is true.
Actually, I think you’re doing the analogy a disservice.
What you want to say is, tickling is how Martians ask for consent.
I.e., Martians ultimately want to get humans onto the mothership for experimentation, and humans actually enjoy being on the mothership (with some Martians, anyways), but in order to do so they have to communicate with the human—and the only way to do that is to tickle their ears with their tentacles (hey, it’s how Martians communicate.) And green Martians have stinging barbs on their tentacles.
So the first act a Martian has to perform is to get consent to tickle the human’s ears with its tentacles—AND THE ONLY WAY IT CAN DO THAT IS BY TICKLING THE HUMAN’S EARS WITH ITS TENTACLES.
I agree with ialdabaoth. Accepting that interpretation, the solution might be: it is OK for a green martian to tickle a human once, but if she signalled displeasure with the initial tickling, repeated tickling is frowned upon and might be considered “tickling harassment” and persecuted by law.
It’s not that you need a “full map of the ethical agency”, it’s that just that your setting precludes any interaction between the Martians and the humans pre-tickling.
I think there is a conflict between you saying “In this society, it is generally accepted that tickling is not something that requires consent” and saying ”… long struggled to come up with a coherent ethical theory that determines whether tickling humans is morally acceptable.”
Not requiring consent (outside of power structures like government and law enforcement) is generally a sign that there are no pressing ethical issues involved. And in reverse, a lot of ethical issues disappear if the parties can freely signal, discuss, and negotiate the rules and terms of interactions.
The simplest answer to your issue is “Ask before tickling”. Another answer is to set up a signaling system where a human can signal that he is open to tickling, does not desire tickling, or is willing to negotiate the terms of tickling. None of that requires an analysis of human ethical dilemmas.
Just allow the involved parties to exchange information pre-action.
Not all activities which displease people require consent. The analogy may be misleading because actual tickling is a physical activity and most physical activities do require consent, but if tickling is an analogy for “hitting on women (possibly in a way that appears creepy)”, then green Martian tickling doesn’t require consent, yet still displeases its recipients.
Furthermore, it makes no sense to say “let’s exchange information to find out if it’s okay to hit on someone in a way that appears creepy”. For one thing, asking if it’s okay to hit on someone is just as creepy as hitting on them. For another, since it’s a learning process, you can’t actually know ahead of time if you’ll be perceived as creepy or not (imagine Martians who gradually change color and the bluish-green ones may not know ahead of time if the humans want to be tickled by them).
Depends on what words you use.
Actually hitting on them depends on what words you use too.
In fact, the distinction between asking to hit on someone and actually doing it is so slim that for many practical purposes it may be nonexistent.
OK. Good point. I am going to specify that in this thought experiment, tickling is only effective if there is no explicit consent.
Edit: See definition of tickling here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/klx/ethics_in_a_feedback_loop_a_parable/b5ft?context=1#b5ft
Also, note that this is a thought experiment. The point of this comment is not to make a claim about the truth value of the statement “flirting is only effective if there is no explicit consent”, but to explore the ethical consequences of a world in which this is true.
Actually, I think you’re doing the analogy a disservice.
What you want to say is, tickling is how Martians ask for consent.
I.e., Martians ultimately want to get humans onto the mothership for experimentation, and humans actually enjoy being on the mothership (with some Martians, anyways), but in order to do so they have to communicate with the human—and the only way to do that is to tickle their ears with their tentacles (hey, it’s how Martians communicate.) And green Martians have stinging barbs on their tentacles.
So the first act a Martian has to perform is to get consent to tickle the human’s ears with its tentacles—AND THE ONLY WAY IT CAN DO THAT IS BY TICKLING THE HUMAN’S EARS WITH ITS TENTACLES.
I agree with ialdabaoth. Accepting that interpretation, the solution might be: it is OK for a green martian to tickle a human once, but if she signalled displeasure with the initial tickling, repeated tickling is frowned upon and might be considered “tickling harassment” and persecuted by law.