this also describe math. like, the mote complicated math that have some prerequisites and person that didn’t take the courses in collage or some analog will not understand.
math, by my understanding of “legibility”, is VERY legible. same about programming, physics, and a whole bunch of explicitly lawful but complicated things.
what is your understanding about that sort of things?
I think I was unfair. I concede it’s possible to have legible argumentation that people won’t understand in a short time, even if it’s perfectly clarified in your head. But in my experiences interrogating my own beliefs, I think it’s common that they are actually not clear (you just think they are) until you can explain them to someone else, so the term “illegible belief” may help some people properly debug themselves.
Regarding your question about math and the like… The point of having the concept of epistemic legibility is that we want to be able to “debug” articles we read, and the articles should accommodate us doing that. If we cannot debug them, they’re not legible.
If your math is correct but poorly explained, I suppose I’d have to call it legible (as long as the explanations don’t lead the reader astray). I won’t want to grace it with that adjective, as I’m sure you understand, but that’s more a matter of signaling.
By contrast, it’s fine by me if you assume background knowledge, though keep in mind it’s easy to assume too much (Explainers Shoot High, Aim Low).
it sometimes happen in conversations, that people talk past each other, don’t notice that they both use the word X and mean two different things, and behave as if they agree on what X is but disagree on where to draw the boundary.
from my point of view, you said some things that make it clear you mean very different thing then me by “illegible”. prove of theorem can’t be illegible to SOMEONE. illegibility is property of the explanation, not the explanation and person. i encountered papers and posts that above my knowledge in math and computer science. i didn’t understand them despite them being legible.
you also have different approach to concepts in generally. i don’t have concept because it make is easier for people to debug. i try to find concepts that reflect the territory most precisely. that is the point of concepts TO ME.
i don’t sure it worth it go all the way back, and i have no intention go over you post and adding “to you” in all the places where it should be add, to make it clearer that goals are something people have, not property of the teritory. but if you want to do half of the work of that, we can continue this discussion.
this also describe math. like, the mote complicated math that have some prerequisites and person that didn’t take the courses in collage or some analog will not understand.
math, by my understanding of “legibility”, is VERY legible. same about programming, physics, and a whole bunch of explicitly lawful but complicated things.
what is your understanding about that sort of things?
I think I was unfair. I concede it’s possible to have legible argumentation that people won’t understand in a short time, even if it’s perfectly clarified in your head. But in my experiences interrogating my own beliefs, I think it’s common that they are actually not clear (you just think they are) until you can explain them to someone else, so the term “illegible belief” may help some people properly debug themselves.
Regarding your question about math and the like… The point of having the concept of epistemic legibility is that we want to be able to “debug” articles we read, and the articles should accommodate us doing that. If we cannot debug them, they’re not legible.
If your math is correct but poorly explained, I suppose I’d have to call it legible (as long as the explanations don’t lead the reader astray). I won’t want to grace it with that adjective, as I’m sure you understand, but that’s more a matter of signaling.
By contrast, it’s fine by me if you assume background knowledge, though keep in mind it’s easy to assume too much (Explainers Shoot High, Aim Low).
it sometimes happen in conversations, that people talk past each other, don’t notice that they both use the word X and mean two different things, and behave as if they agree on what X is but disagree on where to draw the boundary.
from my point of view, you said some things that make it clear you mean very different thing then me by “illegible”. prove of theorem can’t be illegible to SOMEONE. illegibility is property of the explanation, not the explanation and person. i encountered papers and posts that above my knowledge in math and computer science. i didn’t understand them despite them being legible.
you also have different approach to concepts in generally. i don’t have concept because it make is easier for people to debug. i try to find concepts that reflect the territory most precisely. that is the point of concepts TO ME.
i don’t sure it worth it go all the way back, and i have no intention go over you post and adding “to you” in all the places where it should be add, to make it clearer that goals are something people have, not property of the teritory. but if you want to do half of the work of that, we can continue this discussion.