That’s a very new-to-me take on getting AGI efforts to stop: understand and intervene directly on the egregore, rather than like, trying to influence individuals.
I’ll have to think about this.
It’s a pet cause of mine, to get as many people as I can off of the harmful social media platforms (which in my view is nearly all of them, weighted by readership). Possibly [considering “social media use” as an egregore, and considering how to interact with the egregore] might be more effective than my past efforts.
Your list of coded movements really rings-relevant to me—“second-order norm enforcement” made me immediately think of how people will vocally remark that you’re strange or ask why, if they learn you’re not on any social media that they’ve heard of. I suspect this mostly does not influence social-media-nonusers, but rather affects bystanders, erecting an additional barrier to exiting the egregore.
Thanks for the new mental model. Even if I end up not adopting it wholesale, it seems obviously full of useful parts!
Though to be clear, it seems very very difficult to me, like it might be at a vaguely comparable level of difficulty as “solving biology”. Which is part of why I’m not working on that directly, but instead aiming at technological human intelligence amplification.
Yeah, feels like it’s at a similar difficulty level as I’ve been experiencing trying to transcribe my own thought process as pseudocode. And I get the impression that few insights would be readily transferrable across different egregores, in which case each and every one might need its own individual effort.
Reminds me of the work that was done which caused the decline of the Ku Klux Klan: someone infiltrated, learned all the rituals and coded language used, then published that information—and that was all it took to cripple their power.
Interesting, and thanks for taking the time!
That’s a very new-to-me take on getting AGI efforts to stop: understand and intervene directly on the egregore, rather than like, trying to influence individuals.
I’ll have to think about this.
It’s a pet cause of mine, to get as many people as I can off of the harmful social media platforms (which in my view is nearly all of them, weighted by readership). Possibly [considering “social media use” as an egregore, and considering how to interact with the egregore] might be more effective than my past efforts.
Your list of coded movements really rings-relevant to me—“second-order norm enforcement” made me immediately think of how people will vocally remark that you’re strange or ask why, if they learn you’re not on any social media that they’ve heard of. I suspect this mostly does not influence social-media-nonusers, but rather affects bystanders, erecting an additional barrier to exiting the egregore.
Thanks for the new mental model. Even if I end up not adopting it wholesale, it seems obviously full of useful parts!
Though to be clear, it seems very very difficult to me, like it might be at a vaguely comparable level of difficulty as “solving biology”. Which is part of why I’m not working on that directly, but instead aiming at technological human intelligence amplification.
Yeah, feels like it’s at a similar difficulty level as I’ve been experiencing trying to transcribe my own thought process as pseudocode. And I get the impression that few insights would be readily transferrable across different egregores, in which case each and every one might need its own individual effort.
Reminds me of the work that was done which caused the decline of the Ku Klux Klan: someone infiltrated, learned all the rituals and coded language used, then published that information—and that was all it took to cripple their power.
I wish you all the luck re: human enhancement.