It sounds like you agree with me, but are just using the words morality and nihilism differently, and are particularly using nihilism in a way that I don’t understand or that you have yet to explicate.
It also seems to me that you’re already talking about what you value when you talk about desirable worlds.
That’s my point. You’re saying the ‘nihilists’ are wrong, when you may in fact be disagreeing with a viewpoint that most nihilists don’t actually hold on account of them using the words ‘nihilism’ and/or ‘morality’ differently to you. And yeah, I suppose in that sense my ‘morality’ does tie into my actual values, but only my values as applied to an unrealistic thought experiment, and then again a world in which everyone but me adhered to my notions of morality (and I wasn’t penalized for not doing so) would still be preferable to me than a world in which everyone including me did.
But you still have yet to explicitly describe what you mean by nihilism. Could you? How have I misrepresented whom you believe to be the average self-identifying nihilist?
And yeah, I suppose in that sense my ‘morality’ does tie into my actual values, but only my values as applied to an unrealistic thought experiment, and then again a world in which everyone but me adhered to my notions of morality (and I wasn’t penalized for not doing so) would still be preferable to me than a world in which everyone including me did.
Can you explain how the statement ‘A world in which everyone but me does not murder is preferable to a world in which everyone including me does not murder’ is a misinterpretation of this quotation?
What I meant when I called myself a nihilist was essentially that there was no such thing as an objective, mind-independent morality. Nothing more. I would still consider myself a nihilist in that sense (and I expect most on this site would), but I don’t call myself that because it could cause confusion.
Can you explain how the statement ‘A world in which everyone but me does not murder is preferable to a world in which everyone including me does not murder’ is a misinterpretation of this quotation?
It isn’t, although that doesn’t mean I would necessarily murder in such a world.
EDIT: Well, my nihilism was also a justification for the belief that it’s silly to care about morality, and in that sense at least I’m no longer a nihilist in the sense that I was. That was just one aspect of my ‘my eccentricities make me superior, everyone else’s eccentricities are silly’ phase, which I think I moved beyond around the time I stopped being a teenager.
What I meant when I called myself a nihilist was essentially that there was no such thing as an objective, mind-independent morality. Nothing more. I would still consider myself a nihilist in that sense (and I expect most on this site would), but I don’t call myself that because it could cause confusion.
What bullet is that? I implicitly agreed that murder is wrong (as per the way I use the word ‘wrong’) when I said that your statement wasn’t a misinterpretation. It’s just that as I mentioned before, I don’t care a whole lot about the thing that I call ‘morality’.
It sounds like you agree with me, but are just using the words morality and nihilism differently, and are particularly using nihilism in a way that I don’t understand or that you have yet to explicate.
It also seems to me that you’re already talking about what you value when you talk about desirable worlds.
That’s my point. You’re saying the ‘nihilists’ are wrong, when you may in fact be disagreeing with a viewpoint that most nihilists don’t actually hold on account of them using the words ‘nihilism’ and/or ‘morality’ differently to you. And yeah, I suppose in that sense my ‘morality’ does tie into my actual values, but only my values as applied to an unrealistic thought experiment, and then again a world in which everyone but me adhered to my notions of morality (and I wasn’t penalized for not doing so) would still be preferable to me than a world in which everyone including me did.
But you still have yet to explicitly describe what you mean by nihilism. Could you? How have I misrepresented whom you believe to be the average self-identifying nihilist?
Can you explain how the statement ‘A world in which everyone but me does not murder is preferable to a world in which everyone including me does not murder’ is a misinterpretation of this quotation?
What I meant when I called myself a nihilist was essentially that there was no such thing as an objective, mind-independent morality. Nothing more. I would still consider myself a nihilist in that sense (and I expect most on this site would), but I don’t call myself that because it could cause confusion.
It isn’t, although that doesn’t mean I would necessarily murder in such a world.
EDIT: Well, my nihilism was also a justification for the belief that it’s silly to care about morality, and in that sense at least I’m no longer a nihilist in the sense that I was. That was just one aspect of my ‘my eccentricities make me superior, everyone else’s eccentricities are silly’ phase, which I think I moved beyond around the time I stopped being a teenager.
I agree that morality is not in the quarks.
That doesn’t seem like a huge bullet to bite?
What bullet is that? I implicitly agreed that murder is wrong (as per the way I use the word ‘wrong’) when I said that your statement wasn’t a misinterpretation. It’s just that as I mentioned before, I don’t care a whole lot about the thing that I call ‘morality’.