FAQ: Isn’t AGI coming too soon for reprogenetics to help?
Introduction
I think reprogenetics (human germline genomic engineering) can be done in a widely acceptable and beneficial way, and should be pursued aggressively. In particular, as a strong background motivation of mine, I think accelerating strong reprogenetics is probably the best way to enable strong human intelligence amplification; and I think strong HIA is among the best ways to decrease existential risk from AGI.
A very common objection to caring much about reprogenetics is that AGI seems very likely to come soon—say, within a decade or two. (Here I mean “actual” AGI—the kind that probably doesn’t already exist—the kind that has fluid intelligence and AI advantages for recursive self-improvement, which together make it likely to take over the world shortly after being created.) The objection is fairly straightforward:
AGI will probably come within a decade or two. If that’s going to happen, then even if a new cohort of brilliant humans were born today, they would still be children, or would at best have barely begun contributing ideas for how to avoid extinction. Any supposed benefit, denominated in percentage points of AGI existential risk averted, is small. Therefore, reprogenetics is too slow; and if you’re going to work on human intelligence amplification, you should work on adult HIA.
Now, of course this is true to an extent. If AGI comes within 15 years, reprogenetics is almost totally useless. To the extent you believe that will happen, you believe reprogenetics is quantitatively less useful in expectation. Also, having a faster HIA method would of course be great.
However, I believe that this line of reasoning has led to a very mistaken underallocation of funding, talent, and other resources towards human intelligence amplification in general, and reprogenetics in particular. So, I would like to push back in a few ways:
On general strategic grounds, there’s altruistic alpha in working on HIA.
(See the section “HIA, part of your nutritionally complete portfolio”.)
You shouldn’t be that confident that AGI is coming within a decade or two.
(See the section “Against confident short timelines”.)
Putting HIA on a legibly fast and good trajectory might indirectly decrease the motivation to create AGI.
(See the section “HIA may indirectly slow down AGI capabilities”.)
Even given a high probability of AGI coming soon, HIA still has a large positive impact.
(See the section “HIA has substantial impact even with short timelines”.)
Other methods for strong HIA are not at all obviously faster than reprogenetics.
(See the section “Adult HIA methods aren’t fast either, absent big investment”.)
(Note that this isn’t a comprehensive fair-and-balanced report, but rather a collection of arguments in one direction. For example, I won’t here discuss reasons that HIA could increase existential risk from AGI. Also, some but not all of these arguments rely on the assumption that alignment is very difficult.)
HIA, part of your nutritionally complete portfolio
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HIA is super neglected. Would you rather be the 3000th person working on AI safety, the 300th person working on AI regulation, or the 3rd person working on accelerating HIA?
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There’s broad philanthropic alpha in working on HIA. It’s tractable (to accelerate), neglected, and important. In particular, because it’s somewhat taboo (though probably less than you think), there’s relatively low-hanging fieldbuilding fruit to pick.
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We must attend to all plausible points of intervention.
The world cannot be allowed to be destroyed by AGI. We must consider intervening on this course of events at every possible point.
HIA is widely agreed (sometimes publicly, more often in private) to be one of the few real hopes for humanity’s survival. This is a place where we must not drop the ball. Currently the ball is being dropped.
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Uncoordinated resource allocation leads to unbalanced portfolios.
A correct belief that Sector A is more important than Sector B would lead someone to focus on Sector A exclusively when deciding where to allocate resources. This kind of focus is reasonable, given that one can’t spend forever evaluating and comparing all the different possible sectors; you have to focus on one or a few.
People allocate talent, funding, and other resources without checking the preexisting portfolio of allocations. (This is understandable, since that portfolio isn’t written down in any 1 place or in any 10 places.) Thus, they don’t automatically track that a sector is underresourced.
It’s widely accepted that AGI is coming soon, and therefore HIA is not such a useful investment. Even if this belief is correct, this belief leads to HIA being very underresourced within the global joint philanthropic portfolio.
This is a collective mistake. This is as true now as it was when I first wrote it 3 years ago. The candle is still burning down.
Against confident short timelines
I don’t in fact think that confident short timelines (say, “>80% within 15 years” or similar) make much sense. As yet, I have not heard a clear and convincing case that AI research has already uncovered the engines that would produce a smarter-than-human general intelligence. The main arguments for AGI coming soon boil down, I think, to the rapid rise in capabilities and to the use of AI in AI research.
Regarding the rapid rise:
We have large gaps in performance between AIs and humans (sample complexity for learning, ability to generate novel good concepts).
Also, we have an apparent explanation for the rapid rise in capability: hoovering up big piles of internet data for quasi-imitation. Current AIs are skillful / knowledgeable approximately when there’s a bunch of human training data for that thing. Of course, you need more elements if you want to explain all of the rapid rise, such as unhobbling via harnesses and RL, as well as computer advantages (scaled RLVR, speed, parallelism, copying, inexpensiveness).
But the core explanation of “the bulk of these capabilities come from human demonstration” holds water, as far as I know. In particular, this explanation says that current AIs got their capabilities via some route other than accumulation of crystallized intelligence that was produced by their own fluid intelligence. Namely, they got their capabilities via “copying” (broadly construed) crystallized human intelligence originally generated by human fluid intelligence.
This seems to largely explain away the rapid rise in capabilities, without invoking current AIs having much fluid intelligence. Combined with the apparent gap, with humans still well ahead on general fluid intelligence, I don’t see how anyone gets to being very confident that we already have most or all of the ideas that would be needed for AGI.
Regarding the use of AI in AI research:
I expect the most important kinds of research to not be accelerated much, because they are not bottlenecked by coding in the first place. Unless you already think we’re close to making AGI for other reasons, so that what’s left is mainly the kind of research that is greatly accelerated by current or near-future AI, this partial acceleration shouldn’t change your timelines much.
For previous discussion, see “Do confident short timelines make sense?” and “Views on when AGI comes and on strategy to reduce existential risk”. I’m open to debating this with anyone who’d like to make a serious, public case for confident short timelines.
HIA may indirectly slow down AGI capabilities
The main stated justification for pursuing AGI capabilities is that AI / AGI would bring abundance for humanity. It stands to reason that if there were a credible, workable plan to get the (supposed) benefits of AGI without the huge existential risk (and other disempowerment of humans), then there would be less motive to develop AGI and it would be harder to justify pursuing AI capabilities. (See “5.1. Abundance makes less motive to make AGI”.)
I don’t know how large this effect would be. Presumably not very large. Presumably many people trying to increase AI capabilities just want money, power, status, or other selfish things, and would find some other justification. I’m not sure though; it’s hard to put upper or lower bounds on the importance of underlying spiritual currents in society of hope, motivation, the longer-term future, and so on.
HIA has substantial impact even with short timelines
Approximate summary of this section:
We should play to our outs; outs are scarce; HIA is an out.
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In dire situations, if you’re trying to be strategic about winning, it’s advisable to play to your outs. That is, avoid the temptation to focus on incremental tractable gains that don’t actually increase the chances of overall success. Instead, aim at paths to overall success, including by setting yourself up to take advantage of such opportunities, even if any specific path is unlikely.
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Working towards a pause / stop / ban on AGI progress is a top priority. But what is a pause for? We pause, and then what? How do we more robustly prevent existential risk? Hopefully, we can ban Red AGI research, but probably not Blue AGI research progress. (Though social / political pressure might possibly be able to significantly slow down even Blue research.) In the longer run, how do we avoid making unaligned AGI? HIA is a way to improve our long-run chances by giving humanity more brainpower to find good answers to that question.
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Suppose you do get a pause on AGI progress, but you don’t have a plan for how to more robustly stop existential risk. More specifically, suppose that progress is not being made towards the outs. Then the pause is being wasted: for the moment you’re bailing water out of the boat as it leaks in, but at some point more and more leaks will be sprung. You have to also be patching the hull. Ten years from now, when you have hopefully updated toward slightly longer timelines, you’ll regret not getting started on the longer-term solutions back in 2026. I know I regret not working on this a decade ago, rather than bashing my head against the AGI alignment problem. HIA will make some progress on its own by default, but this argument goes through quantitatively—you’ll regret not having quantitatively accelerated HIA if you could have.
Another lens on this: If you have a single long-term out, then the value of pulling the long-term out forward in time by one year is equal to the value of pushing the pause to last for one year longer.
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Very short timelines are pretty intractable. If AGI is actually coming in 5 years by default, unless you think alignment is easy, there just aren’t many outs. Of course we still want to try, but intractability does weigh in the prioritization calculation.
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Pulling world-saving conditions forward in time is very valuable unless you’re very confident extinction will have already happened.
If you make an intervention such that the world would get saved in 40 years rather than 50 years, you’ve decreased existential risk by an amount equal to the probability of AGI coming between 40 and 50 years from now. Unless you have very confident short timelines to AGI, this still decreases total existential risk by a few percentage points.
Decreasing total existential risk by a percentage point is very valuable!
As an illustration, you could have a hazard rate of 5%. In other words, at the beginning of each year (thus, conditioning on the fact that you’ve survived so far), you think there’s a 5% chance that AGI comes within the next year. This distribution has mean <20 years and median <14 years. In this case, the world being saved at year 40 vs. at year 50 is worth a 5% decrease in existential risk.
As another illustration, you could have a hazard rate of 10%. This is an extremely aggressive (confident) timeline. This distribution has median <7 years. In this case, the world being saved at year 40 vs. at year 50 is still worth a ~1% decrease in existential risk! Plug into your calculator:
, aka ((0.9)^40-(0.9)^50)For a more detailed model with numbers, see “The benefit of intervening sooner”.
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AGI alignment is extremely hard. Therefore solving AGI alignment is not that helpful of an out.
This shouldn’t be surprising. Minds, especially superhumanly intelligent minds, are the most complex entities that exist. It’s not surprising if getting them to do some really specific thing (make the universe end up great for humans) is extremely difficult, unlike any challenge humans have faced before. As an analogy, how hard would it be for the Ancient Greeks to get to the moon? What if they have only 15 years? Do you think that task is easier or harder than solving the mysteries of values, intelligence, creativity, self-modification, and so on, well enough to put a mind in an unnatural but stable state, within 15 or even 50 years?
The problem of AGI alignment has major structural and technical obstacles, crucial and insoluble deep mysteries, and appears to be cognitively unnatural to work on.
Therefore, “just solve alignment now, fast” is not a feasible out.
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HIA is an out we can play to.
Alignment is very difficult because it’s a very difficult intellectual (conceptual, philosophical, technical) problem; it’s bottlenecked on really insightful creative careful thinking, not on money or other resources. So, strong HIA might lead to humanity being able to solve alignment.
If alignment is still too hard, HIA might lead to humanity being able to handle AGI existential risk in some other way. The first-rate intellects that benefit from strong HIA would probably have a better shot than us at thinking of ways to avoid existential risk.
For example, they might:
develop next-generation HIA
figure out how to keep in force a stronger ban on AGI
make progress on material problems, more immanently removing motivation to take risks with AGI
improve society’s decision-making in general, leading to a strong social consensus against risking AGI
Indeed, the whole point of making an aligned AGI in the first place is that you need intelligence, but you can’t amplify your own intelligence enough. Therefore, an alternative to making aligned AGI is to figure out how to amplify human intelligence enough.
Adult HIA methods aren’t fast either, absent big investment
A variant of the argument against reprogenetics goes like this:
AGI is coming very soon. Reprogenetics has a built-in delay of at least 15 or 20 years while the kids grow up, before it actually helps. Instead, we should work on adult HIA, which will be able to help much sooner.
Of course, overall, this logic is valid and compelling. If I believed we could do (strong) HIA sooner than a couple decades, I would work on that. If there were actually a Manhattan-Project-scale project for adult human intelligence amplification, I would probably drop what I was working on in reprogenetics and join that effort. I would have some hope of success—assuming that we would have available the scientists, equipment, experimental volunteers, and money that would be needed to run several experimental investigations in parallel.
However, short of a Manhattan Project, I’m somewhat skeptical of adult HIA being a faster bet than reprogenetics. There are several reasons, which I’ll list here. But I want to summarize the main reasons more briefly:
It’s pretty expensive to intervene on an adult brain. Further, it’s not actually clear how to intervene on adult brains to make them smarter, so you’d be doing exploratory research. It’s probably hard to make adult brains much smarter, so you’d probably have to do a lot of exploratory research. Each experiment probably takes at least months (the intervention wouldn’t work instantly), and more likely years (to develop new tech). This means that developing the method involves lots of costly, lengthy, serial experiments. So actually adult HIA takes a long time to develop—like, think decades.
The reasons in more detail:
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Reprogenetics has good-enough data on intelligence; adult HIA does not.
To know what genes increase intelligence, we can look at the billions of humans already living. This doesn’t come remotely close to telling us everything there is to know about genes and intelligence, but it most likely has already told us enough to make a future child be likely to possess a world-class intellect. (What’s left to do is stem cell biotech.)
There’s no comparable large dataset for adult HIA interventions. If you tried an intervention, you would wait a year, collect some data—and then you would have one (1) datapoint. With a single experimental volunteer, you’d even run into challenges trying to collect longitudinal data. You’d need some way to measure cognitive capability that is at least robust to practice, let alone to adversarial hacking (e.g. if you want to do distributed science / self-experimentation).
It may be that any large increase in intelligence must take a long time (years, say), even if it can be done in adults. It might, for example, take a person many months or years to develop the new ways of thinking that are unlocked by an adult intervention. Without that time to develop new ways of thinking, there may not be many clear demonstrations that you’ve really been put on that trajectory. This further increases the time needed for experiments (increasing the serial time needed, and the fungible cost per datapoint).
Each new protocol may take months or years to develop. Thus, even though there’s a faster feedback loop of end-to-end testing for adult interventions compared to reprogenetics, the loop itself is slow.
Reprogenetics, in contrast, probably doesn’t need end-to-end testing, because of the abundant natural experiment data. Reprogenetics does require innovation in things like stem cell biology. But that innovation does have fast feedback loops—significantly faster than end-to-end adult HIA, in most cases. Further, these stem cell biotech problems can mostly be tested in animals, whereas end-to-end adult intelligence amplification interventions can’t really be tested in animals (except for safety), because there’s no great (human-generalizable) measurement of animal intelligence.
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Reprogenetics would probably work for strong HIA; adult interventions may or may not work well for strong HIA.
There is a clear path for strong reprogenetics to work: in vitro gametogenesis (or another epigenomic correctness method), plus strong genomic vectoring (iterated meiotic selection, chromosome selection, and/or iterated CRISPR editing).
There is not a clear path for adult HIA. I do not believe anyone has a near-term-feasible way that we have strong reason to think would work. (I’m somewhat excluding whole brain emulation. It would work, though I think it is actually extremely difficult and would take longer than reprogenetics. But more importantly I think it’s very dangerous.) See “Overview of strong human intelligence amplification methods”.
Without a clear path to success, adult HIA is a less compelling bet. Making big bets like this is hard enough when there’s a clear path. Without a clear path, the probability of overall success is multiplicatively diminished (compared to just having the uncertainty around execution). And, it would be hard to coordinate talent and funding.
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There are general technical obstacles to adult HIA.
Adult brains have lost various kinds of flexibility that child brains possess. Many neurites (long-range axons, dendrites, synapses) have been pruned; genesis of neural structures has greatly decreased; structures have solidified (e.g. via perineuronal nets).
The childhood developmental program is evolved for canalization—making important structures in the body form properly. This development program is no longer operating in adulthood. Therefore, tweaks to brain function in adulthood won’t be met by compensatory mechanisms that keep everything functioning well, compared to how much a genetic tweak will be met with compensatory mechanisms during development.
The genome of a single cell isn’t easy to access and manipulate, but it’s fairly easy compared to accessing an adult brain at scale. The blood-brain barrier, the skull, the meninges, and immune reactions make it very inconvenient to deliver drugs, transplant cells, or implant electrodes into the brain at scale.
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Reprogenetics has strong momentum, in terms of scientific foundations, user motivation, and user on-ramp.
Reprogenetics is constituted by statistical genetics, reproductive science, and stem cell biology. Each of these fields makes progress on its own. E.g. there’s lots of work on building biobanks, constructing polygenic scores, sussing out genetic causality, characterizing germline cells, characterizing and supporting healthy gametogenesis and embryogenesis, reprogramming cells, producing gametes in vitro, measuring genes, editing genes, and so on. For this reason, reprogenetics is already fairly close to being technically feasible.
The technology stack of reprogenetics for decreasing disease risks is almost identical to the stack for increasing intelligence (except for the specific genes). While many people would be interested in giving their children genomic foundations for higher expected intelligence, even more people would like to give them foundations for long, healthy, mentally healthy lives. That means there’s a large personal, financial, and social incentive for everyone involved (scientists, funders, parents, regulators) to make this technology work well and at scale.
Most of the different hypothetical future reprogenetics technologies share most of their biotech stack and social stack (motivations, politics, regulation). On the other hand, adult HIA is somewhat more diverse (brain drugs vs. brain editing vs. stem cell transplants vs. BCIs). So investments in science and fieldbuilding projects for reprogenetics may be somewhat more synergistic with each other.
I don’t see such a large-scale motivator for adult HIA technologies; BCIs, brain drugs, brain editing, and stem cell transplants all seem fairly niche, maybe possibly useful at some point for treating some specific illnesses.
For these reasons, my expectation is that legal obstacles will be tractable, as the component technologies of reprogenetics are proven safe and effective.
Millions of babies are already born through IVF. Reprogenetics would be a small change to the procedure from the parents’s perspective (perhaps even less burdensome, via the advanced reprotech needed for reprogenetics). Thus there’s already a large user base who could easily adopt reprogenetics. Most adult HIA methods (anything involving brain surgery or gene editing) would probably be somewhat hard to scale up a lot; some may be quite easy to scale up (e.g. non-editing brain drugs). A comparison point might be other non-deep brain surgeries, or organ transplantation.
Scale is important for HIA because, however hard it is to amplify intelligence, it’s probably even harder to amplify other cognitive capacities such as wisdom, philosophical insight, sanity, creativity, persistence, curiosity, etc. If some such qualities are needed to achieve the progress that humanity most needs, and they can’t easily be intervened on, then they would have to arise by chance. The plan here is to make strong HIA feasible at scale; hopefully enough people will want to avail themselves of that opportunity; and hopefully some of the resulting people will be both first-rate intellects and also in possession of those other needed qualities.
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Therefore, adult HIA is fairly likely to take a rather long time.
Due to the technical difficulties, iterations may be months or years. E.g. each scaling up of BCI electrode count by an order of magnitude may be a multi-year research project; several such scale-ups may be needed for true strong HIA via BCIs.
Due to the lack of a clear method, good abundant data, and fast training-robust intelligence tests, many iterations may be required to work out a method.
Due to the lack of motivation and a market, there may not be so many resources available. Therefore, exploratory experiments probably can’t be massively parallelized.
Therefore, adult HIA would likely require many serial experiments, or in other words, a long campaign of research.
Now, all of this having been said, I could easily be wrong. I’ve focused largely on reprogenetics, because that’s what I think will work. I’m enthusiastic about roadmapping and research on adult HIA in general, and on specific methods. Hopefully, those interested in adult HIA would take these as non-dealbreaker constraints, to chew through or work around or creatively break.
Takeaways
HIA should be among the top priorities in a promising portfolio for avoiding existential risk from AGI.
You probably shouldn’t have very confident short AGI timelines.
Even if you do have confident short timelines, you should still consider HIA a top priority.
HIA is extremely neglected—it has much less talent, funding, and other resources compared to what it ought to have.
There’s lots to work on, to accelerate HIA via reprogenetics. See e.g. “Berkeley Genomics Project seeking hires (and collabs)” and “Projects that might help accelerate strong reprogenetics”.
Another potential route for this is that reprogenetics can help solve the fertility crisis, which can reduce the incentives to build AGI. My thinking here is that currently it’s pretty risky to have children (e.g. if even one of them ends up unhealthy or “unsuccessful” / low status, it’s a big drain on one’s own finances/status/happiness) which I think contributes to low desire to have more kids in a lot of societies, and low average fertility is a motivation for building AGI in order to stop/reverse the resulting economic or civilizational decline. Reprogenetics could help fix this root cause.
Although I suppose this depends on reprogenetics being cheap enough. If it’s too expensive (and can’t be or isn’t subsidized), it might have the opposite effect, where people feel like it’s a de facto requirement of parenthood (e.g. they feel really bad about their unenhanced kids having to compete with enhanced kids) and opt out of having children because they can’t afford it.
Interesting. This seems plausible as a (smallish?) contributing factor. (Though I don’t personally feel very grounded in what people actually say to themselves or each other about why they’re building AGI.)
This probably isn’t the main cause, since I think it’s probably a lot less risky today than at previous times in history (better nutrition, medical care, social safety nets, etc.). But it stands to reason that it’s a contributing factor.
Incidentally, reprogenetics and more broadly the advanced reprotech that’s involved, could help support fertility in ways beyond affecting the life outcomes of the child. For example:
In vitro oogenesis (making eggs from stem cells)
Enables women to get eggs with their DNA while avoiding egg retrieval. Egg retrieval is uncomfortable (ovarian swelling, hormones), painful (injections, surgery), expensive ($10k++), unreliable, and inconvenient (confusing system, blood draws, ultrasound monitoring, financing, etc.). IVO would be a much simpler process (just take one biopsy; the rest is in the lab) and in the long run should way less expensive.
Egg retrieval doesn’t work well for women >35yo (say), and doesn’t work at all for older women. Some women don’t have eggs for other reasons (e.g. cancer treatment). There are also couples who would have same-sex gametes (gay or trans). So IVO would make it go from impossible to possible for such people to have genetic kids.
In vitro spermatogenesis (making sperm from stem cells)
The same considerations apply as for IVO.
Further, older men have worse sperm (genetic damage and probably epigenetic aberration). This leads to higher rates of disorders in children. High-quality IVS, maybe with genomic vectoring to correct damage, could alleviate that.
Egg and zygote support.
Various labs and startups are working on tech such as in vitro maturation of eggs, in vitro ovarian follicle culture, and repairing damaged cell-division machinery needed for oogenesis and early embryogenesis.
These technologies decrease the attrition in the egg retrieval (or IVO) --> implantable embryo pipeline, quantitatively alleviating the costs of that pipeline.
One reprogenetic target would be “genes that support a healthy successful pregnancy”, helping to alleviate the burden of failed implantation or miscarriage.
This is a bit more sci-fi and less related to reprogenetics, but artificial wombs would relieve the harms / burdens of pregnancy (though it may take a while to end up less expensive than surrogacy).
For several reasons this seems important, and I think it’s achievable. The research is expensive, but once the methods are worked out, they probably can be innovated to be pretty inexpensive.
That would be a sad outcome. In the longer run, there’s probably some restructuring of society that would be good, that takes advantage of material abundance to make it so that parents are reasonably assured that their children’s lives will be well worth living, whether or not they use reprogenetics.
Yeah it’s a lot less risky today, but we’re also a lot more risk averse when it comes to children (e.g. not letting them travel/play unsupervised like we used to). Also, this reason seems to have played a large role in my own family’s fertility decisions.
I don’t think that reprogenetics would solve the crisis. IIRC (upd: link) Asian countries have the same problem of an overcompetition for prestigious jobs which are scarse almost by definition. Even if enhancing the kids was cheap and efficient (which I doubt, as detailed in my comment), competition would shift to a competition among the enhanced kids.
The fertility crisis in countries like the USA was described in five roundups by Zvi and has many other causes like housing (which is also a problem in S. Korea!), lack of couples, etc.
When they enter the workforce, they would be mostly competing with older, unenhanced or less enhanced adults. Although I just realized this brings up another potential issue of parents waiting longer to have kids in order to get access to better enhancement tech, or being afraid of subsequent generations outcompeting their own kids.
Essentially this isn’t happening right now. I think it very likely starts happening within a few years, but will be slow, maybe slower than humanity, and as a result won’t be able to quickly fix the problem of being slow.
Humanity should count as actual AGI, but it remains slow. Similarly, I think LLMs that do prosaic RSI of automatically building the next model (crucially including formulation of new RL tasks/environments/graders) will be actual AGI in the sense that they can (on their own, without humanity’s input) eventually generate and accumulate as much crystallized intelligence as humanity would.
Yet there is a bottleneck of the speed at which they learn novel deep skills (generate and crystallize new pieces of intelligence), going from new RL tasks to new models to new teaching moments that inspire new tasks for the new models that are ready to use the opportunity. This keeps the process at the slow pace of building models rather than at the fast pace of generating tokens, and so AI advantages don’t quickly snowball into fast RSI that changes the fundamental nature of the AI.
Eventually fast RSI happens, but it plausibly takes many years of slow-learning prosaic RSI (for it) to figure out how to make that happen, and humans could end up being faster at figuring it out. As with any basic research, there is no trend that meaningfully predicts how many years it takes. All this time, there’s actual AGI of slow-learning model building that can figure out anything eventually, but only slowly. This AGI might be the lesser factor of danger in triggering fast RSI, compared to the vast amount of compute its usefulness finances, which enables ambitious experiments and rapid scaling of prototypes.
Pretraining very sample inefficiently reconstructs cognitive skills that left evidence about their nature in the text. RL training can use relatively short formulations of tasks/environments/graders to generate even novel pieces of cognitive skills needed to solve the tasks (that the authors of the tasks didn’t necessarily have, as they didn’t necessarily know how to solve the tasks, or how to do so efficiently). In this way, RL training is both sample efficient (with respect to the short formulations of tasks, and the tiny insights each task promotes), and a way of producing novel pieces of intelligence that can be crystallized in the new models.
What’s currently missing is automated formulation of new RL tasks/environments/graders in response to gaps in existing crystallized intelligence (in the current model) with respect to the situations/problems it comes in contact with. I estimate that LLMs of 2031 will be more capable than Mythos 5 by about 3x as much as Mythos 5 is more capable than Opus 4.5+ (strictly before Opus 5). This is likely a gap notably wider than the Sonnet-Mythos gap, above the current frontier models that are already in a weight class capable of producing strong technical results and spontaneous competent cyberoffense. Taking that further step to the models of 2031 is probably insufficient for leaps of insight that quickly show how to make RSI go fast. But this is very likely enough for a base model of 2031 to be sufficiently teachable (using RL tasks) to end up learning how to formulate new RL tasks/environments/graders on its own, starting the slow-learning prosaic RSI process of building the next model automatically.
Thanks. (I have read this with interest, but don’t have much of an overall reply.) A couple comments:
It’s a weird middle ground, where it is fooming but pretty slowly. (I mean, as a human, I would think that, i.e. I would experience time on a scale that’s somewhat faster than humanity’s foom.) And it kinda only half has the A in AGI. If it fully had the A (or I guess, ISGI, in silico general intelligence) then it would foom much faster.
Maybe kinda. But my guess is that this would be kind of like calling [hominid evolution by natural selection on genetic variation] an AGI, or calling [the ecosystem of the Earth throughout all of time] an AGI. I mean it would probably be extremely faster & scarier than evolution, but still.
It reconstructs a lot of them to a significant extent, but very much misses a lot of them to a significant extent, I think.
This seems plausible-ish. I would weakly expect a lot of plateaus, e.g. due to highly correlated taste, but not strongly and I haven’t thought about it much. (Maybe you’re pricing that in to “slow”.)
Curated. The argument here is straightforward and seems basically correct to me. I think I have shorter timelines than Tsvi does, at least if not conditioning on a successful pause/stop effort, but as Tsvi says:
Really, most of the HIA has substantial impact even with short timelines section is important to understand, and should carry the argument even for people with pretty confidently short timelines. (Unless they disagree with “Very short timelines are pretty intractable.” by way of things that can meaningfully be influenced by humans today.) The points at which people think marginal effort allocation to HIA stops making sense might differ, but right now, there need to be more people working on this.
My main issues are the following:
Using terms from AI-2040, this requires the world to choose Plan S instead of Plan A where AGI does arrive, but is disallowed from starting the RSI, bottlenecking the risk on three considerations, only ONE of which is due NOT to a lack of political will.
Human intelligence enhancement could be related to data progress instead of algorithmic progress, as Beren once said about LLMs, or fail to produce scientific effects, especially if we take into account the ongoing education crisis in the USA, which Zvi covered in his Childhood and Education roundups #17 and #18, or Cannell’s case for AlphaGo’s performance being due to having an amount of data comparable with human champions. These champions have spent an unincreasable part of their lives practicing Go, and enhanced humans will also have spent an unincreasable part of their lives studying alignment-related sciences.
(I don’t understand your first point. I argued in the post that I don’t think AGI is that likely to arrive very soon, and even if you do think that, HIA has substantial positive expected benefit.)
Re/ your second point, also not sure I understand. You’re saying that maybe humans with amplified intelligence might not be able to contribute much because their education is poor in general, or specifically because contribution is bottleneck on years of experience working on the alignment problem or adjacent sciences? I mean, data and education are important too. We can & should also support education, and try out things to support geniuses in particular. (But if you’re saying that this implies technological HIA such as reprogenetics wouldn’t work or wouldn’t have much impact, I don’t see how that follows at all.
As far as I understand, the main case against short timelines was in your posts “Do confident short timelines make sense?” (Jul 2025!) and the post made on Jul 2023(!!). I had Claude Sonnet 5 prepare the list of breakthroughs between July 2023 and now:
Claude’s list
Quite a lot happened in this three-year stretch. Here’s the shape of it:
Late 2023 — multimodal goes mainstream Google launched Gemini in December 2023 as a multimodal competitor to GPT-4, integrated initially into Bard and other Google tools. This was part of a broader shift where models stopped being text-only and started natively handling images (and later audio/video) in one architecture, following GPT-4′s earlier multimodal debut.
2024 — reasoning models arrive The single biggest architectural shift of the period came in September 2024, when OpenAI released o1-preview, the first in a new series of “reasoning models” trained specifically for chain-of-thought problem solving, rather than just generating fluent text in one pass. This kicked off what’s often called the “reasoning” aka inference-scaling aka Reinforcement Learning from Verifiable Rewards (RLVR) revolution — models that spend extra compute “thinking” before answering hard problems.
Early 2025 — the DeepSeek shock and open-weight reasoning January 2025 brought DeepSeek-R1, an open model that acquired reasoning capabilities solely through reinforcement learning, which shook markets by matching frontier reasoning performance at a fraction of the training cost — DeepSeek-V3 was more than a technical achievement; it signaled that accessible, high-performing models could thrive outside the traditional big tech ecosystem. A Berkeley team even replicated core concepts of DeepSeek’s R1-Zero model on a budget of just $30, with a 3-billion-parameter model called “TinyZero” trained via reinforcement learning, showing the technique wasn’t exclusive to giant labs. OpenAI responded by pushing further with o3, o3-mini, and o4-mini, and reasoning became a signature feature of models from nearly every other major AI lab.
2024–2025 — the rise of agents Alongside reasoning, agentic AI emerged — systems that don’t just respond to prompts but autonomously plan, execute, and adapt to accomplish complex goals. Rather than just answering, these systems reason through multi-step plans, invoke external tools and APIs, maintain memory across interactions, verify results, and recover from errors with minimal human oversight. Standardized protocols for tool use (like MCP) matured enough that by mid-2026 major frameworks like LangChain and LlamaIndex fully support MCP, making it trivial to add tool use to any model.
2025–2026 — architecture experimentation and efficiency The field diversified past plain transformers. Hybrid architectures blending attention with state-space (Mamba-style) layers became popular for efficiency — this hybrid-architecture trend with alternating attention and alternative layers became a relatively popular development, with Qwen3.6 using Gated DeltaNet layers instead of Mamba-2 layers. NVIDIA’s Nemotron 3 Super was an open, efficient Mixture-of-Experts hybrid Mamba-Transformer model designed for agentic reasoning. Diffusion-based (non-autoregressive) language models also appeared as a genuinely different generation paradigm — models like Seed Diffusion Preview, based on discrete-state diffusion, offering fast inference speed through non-sequential, parallel generation rather than token-by-token decoding.
2026 — rapid-fire frontier releases This year has seen an unusually fast release cadence across labs: January through April all featured at least one frontier-class launch — Google shipped Gemini 3.1 Pro in late February, Anthropic shipped Opus 4.7 in mid-April, and OpenAI shipped GPT-5.5 in April. Meta also pushed back into frontier territory with a model called Muse Spark. Coding and agentic-workflow benchmarks became key battlegrounds: Claude Opus led SWE-bench Pro while GPT-5.5 led Terminal-Bench 2.0, with Claude stronger on cold-start code synthesis and GPT-5.5 stronger on multi-turn agent loops. Efficiency also kept improving — models like DeepSeek V4-Flash offered a 1M-token context window at roughly 50x cheaper input pricing than GPT-5.5. Most recently, Anthropic released Claude Opus 5 in late July 2026, alongside continued releases from Google (Gemini 3.5/3.6 Flash), Alibaba (Qwen3.7/3.8), Moonshot AI (Kimi K3), and others.
A few threads run through all of it: reasoning/test-time compute became a standard model capability rather than a novelty, open-weight models closed much of the gap with closed frontier labs while driving costs down dramatically, context windows grew enormously (into the millions of tokens), and the center of gravity shifted from “chatbot that answers” to “agent that acts” — using tools, maintaining state, and completing multi-step tasks with less supervision.
The case against novel conceptual reasoning seems to have partially lost its juice given that scaling and the innovations described in the collapsed section (which IMHO are closer to education techniques than to architectural breakthroughs. Novel architectures like neuralese have yet to be discovered) gave rise to models as capable as Claude Mythos, Astra and other discoverers of novel theorems and cyber-related exploits, or Claude Opus 5 making a breakthrough in the ARC-AGI-3 non-scaffold.
As for the second point, yes, I would expect conceptual research to be bottlenecked on years of experience working on sciences like alignment or mechinterp (e.g. the AI-2027 Race branch had Agent-4 start with understanding its own cognition by superintelligent mechinterp, then construct Agent-5 with one goal). However, I struggle to understand what experiment could reveal that HIA worked as you describe versus shifting the human’s interests.
I’m not interested in arguing with your LLM. I don’t believe I’ve ever expressed much or any skepticism about theorem proving, ARC-whatever, or computer hacking coming from current AI research.
Well, like, if someone went into theoretical physics, they might produce intellectual progress on the order of [pick your favorite brilliant physicist] or instead [pick your favorite highly motivated but not very successful theoretical physicist].
pre-RSI AGI are likely less aligned than enhanced humans
Are you saying that native intelligence doesn’t matter as much as education? Because I’m very sure that is incorrect; my intuition points strongly to many life outcomes pointing better for a 135 iq person vs a 100 iq person, all else being equal~ (and with the exception of mental illness/depression/burnout, which is a fraction of the population but far from 100%.
Note that the reprogenetics program is extremely achievable with ordinary biological science. There’s a relatively large pool of talented geneticists who are unlikely to have the security mindset necessary to directly work on capable AI, so I don’t think this program will detract human capital from other cause areas relevant to AI survivability. The risk does not extend far past the experimental subjects. It’s low cost with potentially huge upside. And it’s not like having healthier and smarter children is a thing people would be opposed to absent AI risk.
I also agree with the RobertM comment that the substantial impact with short timelines is well-argued. I think it’s worth adding that even if this program is doomed to fail because we get clotheslined by short timelines before it can do anything, it would be more dignified to die having started trying to become capable of solving alignment that it would be to be killed by misalignment without trying anything even conditioned on being correct that there’s predictably not enough time to complete the program. This is not as important as the argument that we should play to our outs, but it makes me feel better.