Eliezer, do you see the distance between how you are discussing this topic and how Anders is? Invoking “Good and Evil”, with Stalin and Mao (losers of conflicts with the anglosphere?) being “evil” seems to me to me to be an appropriation of the overcomingbias space more so than a good faith effort to intelligently expand that space. Anders approach in general and in this post in particular serves as a good contrast, in my opinion.
Stalin and Mao (losers of conflicts with the anglosphere?)
I’m also bothered that all of the villains cited are enemies of the Anglosphere (although these two actually won). B.H. gives a long list which is quite biased in this way. Even Orwell seems to reference Churchill and Truman, and any list ending with Osama and Saddam practically begs for a reference to Bush.
Nevertheless, it’s clear to me that all of the people on B.H.’s list (as well as the others that I mentioned) committed great evils that have been (and still are) defended with hypocrisy and other forms of muddled thinking. And I agree with Orwell’s and Eliezer’s indictment of this.
Eliezer, do you see the distance between how you are discussing this topic and how Anders is? Invoking “Good and Evil”, with Stalin and Mao (losers of conflicts with the anglosphere?) being “evil” seems to me to me to be an appropriation of the overcomingbias space more so than a good faith effort to intelligently expand that space. Anders approach in general and in this post in particular serves as a good contrast, in my opinion.
I’m also bothered that all of the villains cited are enemies of the Anglosphere (although these two actually won). B.H. gives a long list which is quite biased in this way. Even Orwell seems to reference Churchill and Truman, and any list ending with Osama and Saddam practically begs for a reference to Bush.
Nevertheless, it’s clear to me that all of the people on B.H.’s list (as well as the others that I mentioned) committed great evils that have been (and still are) defended with hypocrisy and other forms of muddled thinking. And I agree with Orwell’s and Eliezer’s indictment of this.