People who are accustomed to software patterned on BBS-style forums (phpBB, most blogs, 4chan) expect that. People who are used to software patterned on Usenet (Livejournal, Slashdot, kuro5hin, reddit) don’t. And of course, both groups tend to see their own way as the intuitive way.
I agree that the change from text to icons was a bad idea. LW is overwhelming enough for newbies without mystery meat controls.
The intended reference class was “people accustomed to reading blogs (of which LW is one)”.
I myself was a major consumer of Usenet; I don’t remember it being it particularly non-chronological. Maybe that depended on reader software.
But yes, Reddit and Slashdot are examples of how not to do it.
AFAICT Livejournal seems to work chronologically like most blogging platforms. At least, I don’t remember recently being frustrated by finding a later comment before an earlier one when reading a Livejournal blog.
You’ve moved my opinion, but not far enough to change the site defaults as you request. I think it likely that a demonstration that community opinion is on your side would inspire me to act. You could demonstrate community opinion with a Discussion area poll post.
People who are accustomed to software patterned on BBS-style forums (phpBB, most blogs, 4chan) expect that. People who are used to software patterned on Usenet (Livejournal, Slashdot, kuro5hin, reddit) don’t. And of course, both groups tend to see their own way as the intuitive way.
I agree that the change from text to icons was a bad idea. LW is overwhelming enough for newbies without mystery meat controls.
The intended reference class was “people accustomed to reading blogs (of which LW is one)”.
I myself was a major consumer of Usenet; I don’t remember it being it particularly non-chronological. Maybe that depended on reader software.
But yes, Reddit and Slashdot are examples of how not to do it.
AFAICT Livejournal seems to work chronologically like most blogging platforms. At least, I don’t remember recently being frustrated by finding a later comment before an earlier one when reading a Livejournal blog.
You’ve moved my opinion, but not far enough to change the site defaults as you request.
I think it likely that a demonstration that community opinion is on your side would inspire me to act. You could demonstrate community opinion with a Discussion area poll post.