This, TBH. Maybe also the Litany of Tarski points at the same thing. I feel like that’s the wording that left the deepest impression on me, at least on the epistemic side. “Rationalists should win,” I think did it for me on the instrumental side, although I’m afraid that one is especially prone to misinterpretation as tribalism, rather than as the Void of decision theory as originally intended.
I would be very worried about the effects of enshrining norms in a list. Like, we have implicit norms anyway. It’s not like we can choose not to have them, but trying to cement them might easily get them wrong and make it harder to evolve them as our collective knowledge improves. I can perhaps see the desire to protect our culture from the influx of new users in this way, but I think there are probably better approaches.
Like maybe we could call them “training wheels” or “beginner suggestions” instead of “norms”.
I also like the idea of techniques of discourse engaged in by mutual consent. We don’t always have to use the same mode. Examples are things like Crocker’s Rules, Double Crux, Prediction Markets, Bets, Street Epistemology, and (I suppose) the traditional debate format. Maybe you can think of others. I think it would be more productive to explore and teach techniques like these rather than picking any one style as “normal”. We’d use the most appropriate tool for the job at hand.
This, TBH. Maybe also the Litany of Tarski points at the same thing. I feel like that’s the wording that left the deepest impression on me, at least on the epistemic side. “Rationalists should win,” I think did it for me on the instrumental side, although I’m afraid that one is especially prone to misinterpretation as tribalism, rather than as the Void of decision theory as originally intended.
I would be very worried about the effects of enshrining norms in a list. Like, we have implicit norms anyway. It’s not like we can choose not to have them, but trying to cement them might easily get them wrong and make it harder to evolve them as our collective knowledge improves. I can perhaps see the desire to protect our culture from the influx of new users in this way, but I think there are probably better approaches.
Like maybe we could call them “training wheels” or “beginner suggestions” instead of “norms”.
I also like the idea of techniques of discourse engaged in by mutual consent. We don’t always have to use the same mode. Examples are things like Crocker’s Rules, Double Crux, Prediction Markets, Bets, Street Epistemology, and (I suppose) the traditional debate format. Maybe you can think of others. I think it would be more productive to explore and teach techniques like these rather than picking any one style as “normal”. We’d use the most appropriate tool for the job at hand.