The podcast is a bit frustrating, because Gary Marcus was the “moderator”, which cashed out as him monologuing a lot and sometimes preventing Hendrycks and especially Kokotajlo from arguing with him effectively. Instead he focused the discussion on things he agrees with them about and kept moving on before some of the more tractable points of disagreement could be fleshed out, letting Hendrycks and Kokotajlo begin their arguments but not conclude them.
The podcast is a bit frustrating, because Gary Marcus was the “moderator”, which cashed out as him monologuing a lot and sometimes preventing Hendrycks and especially Kokotajlo from arguing with him effectively. Instead he focused the discussion on things he agrees with them about and kept moving on before some of the more tractable points of disagreement could be fleshed out, letting Hendrycks and Kokotajlo begin their arguments but not conclude them.