While I appreciate and share your brash disregard for social pressures, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to expect a modicum of politeness and tact in how people present ideas. Not everyone is immune to such pressure and I don’t think saying what amounts to “HTFU, noobcake” is a reasonable way to improve the level of discourse.
Well, I don’t very much care about those sorts of people. It’s not that I have any desire to aggravate them, but they’re usually useless to me as anything but vending machines.
Resistance to social pressure is, within reason, largely orthogonal to the ability to contribute useful information to an informed discussion, or cooperate with others on productive tasks.
If you really want to limit the set of people you can usefully interact with, be my guest, but it seems a tad suboptimal.
‘Suboptimal’ for what? There is no such thing as ‘general efficiency’, success and failure (and their degress) are meaningless without an actual framework of goals and preference. I simply do not enjoy socially interacting with people like that. I am aware that this includes most of the human race. I happen to find most of the human race useless beyond the buy-sell relationship.
There are a variety of social interactions from which one can derive value outside the context of a simple economic transaction. Discussing intellectual topics, like on LW or in an academic environment is one example; professional networking to gain connections for career advancement is another. Excluding people for reasons unrelated to these goals, such as susceptibility to social pressure, is suboptimal because potential gains scale with the number of people you interact with.
Who you choose to socially interact with is otherwise pretty much arbitrary. Personally, I generally like your attitude and think the world could use more people who share it—but I don’t feel justified to demand that they do.
“Excluding people for reasons unrelated to these goals, such as susceptibility to social pressure, is suboptimal because potential gains scale with the number of people you interact with.”
It’s quite the other way around—people who strongly conform to social pressure tend to be people who I will disagree with so much in theory and practice that I have no desire to attempt any sort of relationship. I find people who get ‘offended’, or care about ‘animal rights’, are far more likely to make me want to punch them than to contribute anything I have any interest in hearing.
“I don’t feel justified to demand that they do.”
Justification is phantom. I just couldn’t give a damn what they like or not. Why should I automatically have sympathy for these primates just because they happen to be related to me?
I don’t ‘demand’ anything of them, but I owe them nothing, either. I give them no more leave than I would a dog.
Why are you interacting with an un-filtered human? Your professed chances of a hit are far lower than a miss, unless you go someplace where the culture ups the odds.
Because it’s easy enough to ignore people who bore me, and there are a handful of you on here who are worth interacting with. What’s more, sometimes ‘normal’ people do produce something worth reading, I just wouldn’t want to share an apartment with them.
While I appreciate and share your brash disregard for social pressures, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to expect a modicum of politeness and tact in how people present ideas. Not everyone is immune to such pressure and I don’t think saying what amounts to “HTFU, noobcake” is a reasonable way to improve the level of discourse.
Well, I don’t very much care about those sorts of people. It’s not that I have any desire to aggravate them, but they’re usually useless to me as anything but vending machines.
Resistance to social pressure is, within reason, largely orthogonal to the ability to contribute useful information to an informed discussion, or cooperate with others on productive tasks.
If you really want to limit the set of people you can usefully interact with, be my guest, but it seems a tad suboptimal.
‘Suboptimal’ for what? There is no such thing as ‘general efficiency’, success and failure (and their degress) are meaningless without an actual framework of goals and preference. I simply do not enjoy socially interacting with people like that. I am aware that this includes most of the human race. I happen to find most of the human race useless beyond the buy-sell relationship.
There are a variety of social interactions from which one can derive value outside the context of a simple economic transaction. Discussing intellectual topics, like on LW or in an academic environment is one example; professional networking to gain connections for career advancement is another. Excluding people for reasons unrelated to these goals, such as susceptibility to social pressure, is suboptimal because potential gains scale with the number of people you interact with.
Who you choose to socially interact with is otherwise pretty much arbitrary. Personally, I generally like your attitude and think the world could use more people who share it—but I don’t feel justified to demand that they do.
“Excluding people for reasons unrelated to these goals, such as susceptibility to social pressure, is suboptimal because potential gains scale with the number of people you interact with.” It’s quite the other way around—people who strongly conform to social pressure tend to be people who I will disagree with so much in theory and practice that I have no desire to attempt any sort of relationship. I find people who get ‘offended’, or care about ‘animal rights’, are far more likely to make me want to punch them than to contribute anything I have any interest in hearing.
“I don’t feel justified to demand that they do.” Justification is phantom. I just couldn’t give a damn what they like or not. Why should I automatically have sympathy for these primates just because they happen to be related to me? I don’t ‘demand’ anything of them, but I owe them nothing, either. I give them no more leave than I would a dog.
Why are you interacting with an un-filtered human? Your professed chances of a hit are far lower than a miss, unless you go someplace where the culture ups the odds.
Because it’s easy enough to ignore people who bore me, and there are a handful of you on here who are worth interacting with. What’s more, sometimes ‘normal’ people do produce something worth reading, I just wouldn’t want to share an apartment with them.