For what it’s worth, I got relatively little[1] out of reading the Sequences solo, in any form (and RAZ is worse than LW in this regard, because the comments were worth something even on really old and inactive threads, and surprisingly many threads were still active when I first joined the site in 2014).
What really did the job for me was the reading group started by another then-Seattleite[2]. We started as a small group (I forget how many people the first meetings had, but it was a while before we broke 10 and longer before we did it regularly) that simply worked through the core sequences—Map & Territory, then How to Actually Change Your Mind—in order (as determined by posts on the sequences themselves at first, and later by the order of Rationality: AI to Zombies chapters). Each week, we’d read the next 4-6 posts (generally adjusted for length) and then meet for roughly 90 minutes to talk about them in groups of 4-8 (as more people started coming, we began splitting up for the discussions). Then we’d (mostly) all go to dinner together, at which we’d talk about anything—the reading topics, other Rationality-esque things, or anything else a group of smart mostly-20-somethings might chat about—and next week we’d do it again.
If there’s such a group near you, go to it! If not, try to get it started. Starting one of these groups is non-trivial. I was already considering the idea before I met the person who actually made it happen (and I met her through OKCupid, not LessWrong or the local rationality/EA community), but I wouldn’t have done it anywhere near as well as she did. On the other hand, maybe you have the skills and connections (she did) and just need the encouragement. Or maybe you know somebody else who has what it takes, and need to go encourage them.
[1] Reading the Sequences by myself, the concepts were very “slippery”; I might have technically remembered them, but I didn’t internalize them. If there was anything I disagreed with or that seemed unrealistic—and this wasn’t so very uncommon—it made me discount the whole post to effectively nothing. Even when something seemed totally, brilliantly true, it also felt untested to me, because I hadn’t talked about it with anybody. Going to the group fixed all of that. While it’s not really what you’re asking for, you may find it does the trick.
[2] She has since moved to (of course) the Bay Area. Nonetheless, the group continues (and is roughly now two years running, hitting nearly every Monday evening). We regularly break 20 attendees now, occasionally break 30, and the “get dinner together” follow-up has grown into a regularly-scheduled weekly event in its own right at one of the local rationalist houses.
Agreed that the above won’t work for all people, not even all people who say
I haven’t and probably can’t internalize it on a very deep, systematic level, no matter how many times I re-read the articles
Nonetheless, I find it a useful thing to consider, both because it’s a lot easier (even if there isn’t yet such a group in your area) than writing an entire LW-inspired rationality textbook, and because it’s something that a person can arrange without needing to have already internalized everything (which might be a prerequisite for the “write the textbook” approach). It also provides a lot of benefits that go well beyond solving the specific problem of internalizing the material (I have also discovered new material I would not have found as early if at all, I have engaged in discussions related to the readings that caused me to update other beliefs, I have formed a new social circle of people with whom I can discuss topics with in a manner that none of my other circles support, etc.).
For what it’s worth, I got relatively little[1] out of reading the Sequences solo, in any form (and RAZ is worse than LW in this regard, because the comments were worth something even on really old and inactive threads, and surprisingly many threads were still active when I first joined the site in 2014).
What really did the job for me was the reading group started by another then-Seattleite[2]. We started as a small group (I forget how many people the first meetings had, but it was a while before we broke 10 and longer before we did it regularly) that simply worked through the core sequences—Map & Territory, then How to Actually Change Your Mind—in order (as determined by posts on the sequences themselves at first, and later by the order of Rationality: AI to Zombies chapters). Each week, we’d read the next 4-6 posts (generally adjusted for length) and then meet for roughly 90 minutes to talk about them in groups of 4-8 (as more people started coming, we began splitting up for the discussions). Then we’d (mostly) all go to dinner together, at which we’d talk about anything—the reading topics, other Rationality-esque things, or anything else a group of smart mostly-20-somethings might chat about—and next week we’d do it again.
If there’s such a group near you, go to it! If not, try to get it started. Starting one of these groups is non-trivial. I was already considering the idea before I met the person who actually made it happen (and I met her through OKCupid, not LessWrong or the local rationality/EA community), but I wouldn’t have done it anywhere near as well as she did. On the other hand, maybe you have the skills and connections (she did) and just need the encouragement. Or maybe you know somebody else who has what it takes, and need to go encourage them.
[1] Reading the Sequences by myself, the concepts were very “slippery”; I might have technically remembered them, but I didn’t internalize them. If there was anything I disagreed with or that seemed unrealistic—and this wasn’t so very uncommon—it made me discount the whole post to effectively nothing. Even when something seemed totally, brilliantly true, it also felt untested to me, because I hadn’t talked about it with anybody. Going to the group fixed all of that. While it’s not really what you’re asking for, you may find it does the trick.
[2] She has since moved to (of course) the Bay Area. Nonetheless, the group continues (and is roughly now two years running, hitting nearly every Monday evening). We regularly break 20 attendees now, occasionally break 30, and the “get dinner together” follow-up has grown into a regularly-scheduled weekly event in its own right at one of the local rationalist houses.
Upvoted, but this seems to vary from person to person. You also forgot how italics and lists work here.
Gah, thank you, edited. Markdown is my nemesis.
Agreed that the above won’t work for all people, not even all people who say
Nonetheless, I find it a useful thing to consider, both because it’s a lot easier (even if there isn’t yet such a group in your area) than writing an entire LW-inspired rationality textbook, and because it’s something that a person can arrange without needing to have already internalized everything (which might be a prerequisite for the “write the textbook” approach). It also provides a lot of benefits that go well beyond solving the specific problem of internalizing the material (I have also discovered new material I would not have found as early if at all, I have engaged in discussions related to the readings that caused me to update other beliefs, I have formed a new social circle of people with whom I can discuss topics with in a manner that none of my other circles support, etc.).