I am absolutely not convinced it is a good idea to port policies from one culture to another. Neither when US Neoliberalism gets exported to Latin America & Eastern Europe (“Washington Consensus”) nor when Euro Social Democracy gets imported to the US (“Nordic Model”). Cultural differences can make every policy win or fail.
I mean, even in the EU it seems very similar tax-and-spend models work well for Scandinavia but abysmally for PIIGS. The cultural difference between the North and Essos the Mediterrean is already too high.
I think homogenity/multiculturalism may also play a role… which predicts sooner or later we will see less Social Democracy in the EU. But the point is, tax-and-spend requires trust, and trust is based on things like similarity or making sure the other players in the prisoner’s dilemma don’t defect (don’t cheat on taxes etc.) and it seems to suggest the need for cultural homogenity.
One useful way to model is that supra-national, EU-level redistribution does not really work due to the lack of trust which is due to the—thankful! - lack of cultural homogenity, and the US is so dishomogenous that it resembles the whole of the EU more than any individual nation. European nations stopped being ethnic too but there is at least still some kind of a default ethnicity & ethnic culture in each, which at least helps in coordination problems: a German-Turk and a German-Serb at least have a basic idea that their easiest way to cooperate in the game is to behave like a German-German, the “default” citizen. The US went way beyond the point where Scottish and German ethnicities could be considered default. And this is why there are constantly these coordination problems e.g. men no longer know how to behave with women without being creepy because there is not one default ethnic culture.
BTW before anyone misunderstands this comment, it is not a criticism of multiculturalism or some kind of a hidden racism. It is simply pointing out in the long run it cannot be combined with nationalism and the national level redistribution we commonly call Social Democracy. To cope with multiculturalism, nationalism needs to go the way of the dodo and nations reimagined as a loose confederation of communities, and redistribution happening only inside the communities but not overall in the nation. This is doable, for example Austria has universal healthcare but not single-payer, there are stuff like miners or railroad workers health insurance “cassa”. This is workable. Similar institutions are possible to imagine on an ethnic-communitarian basis. Private business is aleady doing it, DenizBank is advertising in Vienna largely where Turks live because it is of course so that they trust it more than others. Time to go beyond the Westphalian period of (economic) nationalism.
The export of neoliberalism wasn’t the export of a system which was known to work in practice, it was the export of a system believed to work in theory by certain people...south American neoliberalism deliberately went further than was possible in the US...it was an experiment.
nor when Euro Social Democracy gets imported to the US (“Nordic Model”).
That happened?
I mean, even in the EU it seems very similar tax-and-spend models work well for Scandinavia but abysmally for PIIGS.
Tax and spend isnt a boolean. Everyone does it to some extent.
(don’t cheat on taxes etc.)
Let’s say that applies to Greece and Italy. Would it also apply to the US?
One useful way to model is that supra-national, EU-level redistribution does not really work
I’m from the Detroit region, and I would say Detroit is actually a great example, since it has been receiving bailout after bailout for many years. Not to mention the steady torrent of state and federal taxes that kept Detroit trudging along so far.
Dude. It is literally all over the East. How about a nice cup of Ózd? However, even the UK has some brutally post-industrial areas.
About the rest, sorry, your habit is to ask too much and answer too little, one needs to be frugal when trading time with you, and I don’t mean it as an insult, don’t take it bad :)
I am absolutely not convinced it is a good idea to port policies from one culture to another. Neither when US Neoliberalism gets exported to Latin America & Eastern Europe (“Washington Consensus”) nor when Euro Social Democracy gets imported to the US (“Nordic Model”). Cultural differences can make every policy win or fail.
I mean, even in the EU it seems very similar tax-and-spend models work well for Scandinavia but abysmally for PIIGS. The cultural difference between the North and
Essosthe Mediterrean is already too high.I think homogenity/multiculturalism may also play a role… which predicts sooner or later we will see less Social Democracy in the EU. But the point is, tax-and-spend requires trust, and trust is based on things like similarity or making sure the other players in the prisoner’s dilemma don’t defect (don’t cheat on taxes etc.) and it seems to suggest the need for cultural homogenity.
One useful way to model is that supra-national, EU-level redistribution does not really work due to the lack of trust which is due to the—thankful! - lack of cultural homogenity, and the US is so dishomogenous that it resembles the whole of the EU more than any individual nation. European nations stopped being ethnic too but there is at least still some kind of a default ethnicity & ethnic culture in each, which at least helps in coordination problems: a German-Turk and a German-Serb at least have a basic idea that their easiest way to cooperate in the game is to behave like a German-German, the “default” citizen. The US went way beyond the point where Scottish and German ethnicities could be considered default. And this is why there are constantly these coordination problems e.g. men no longer know how to behave with women without being creepy because there is not one default ethnic culture.
BTW before anyone misunderstands this comment, it is not a criticism of multiculturalism or some kind of a hidden racism. It is simply pointing out in the long run it cannot be combined with nationalism and the national level redistribution we commonly call Social Democracy. To cope with multiculturalism, nationalism needs to go the way of the dodo and nations reimagined as a loose confederation of communities, and redistribution happening only inside the communities but not overall in the nation. This is doable, for example Austria has universal healthcare but not single-payer, there are stuff like miners or railroad workers health insurance “cassa”. This is workable. Similar institutions are possible to imagine on an ethnic-communitarian basis. Private business is aleady doing it, DenizBank is advertising in Vienna largely where Turks live because it is of course so that they trust it more than others. Time to go beyond the Westphalian period of (economic) nationalism.
The US has “a” culture?
The export of neoliberalism wasn’t the export of a system which was known to work in practice, it was the export of a system believed to work in theory by certain people...south American neoliberalism deliberately went further than was possible in the US...it was an experiment.
That happened?
Tax and spend isnt a boolean. Everyone does it to some extent.
Let’s say that applies to Greece and Italy. Would it also apply to the US?
Is that a fact? Where is the EU’s Detroit?
Athens.
And that’s being allowed to rot, not being bailed out?
Just like Detroit :-P
I’m from the Detroit region, and I would say Detroit is actually a great example, since it has been receiving bailout after bailout for many years. Not to mention the steady torrent of state and federal taxes that kept Detroit trudging along so far.
Here are a couple of recent bailouts.
And there are better and worse ways of spending money.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/03/business/la-fi-europe-rebuild-20110103
Dude. It is literally all over the East. How about a nice cup of Ózd? However, even the UK has some brutally post-industrial areas.
About the rest, sorry, your habit is to ask too much and answer too little, one needs to be frugal when trading time with you, and I don’t mean it as an insult, don’t take it bad :)
50 years of communism , , 5-10 years in the EU and it is all the EUS fault. Fact . Not a question, possibly sarcastic, though.
Sure, under Thatchers version of Reagonomics.
If I had the answers, I wouldn’t be wasting time on here. Do you have the answers? Woops, did it again.