The times when humans get closest to not having their own values, and acting robustly on behalf of another agency’s[7] goals are when they adopt a sort of collective identity, for example as a part of a military, cult, or clan.
Or corporation, many humans act in ways that maximize the profits of a corporation even when they believe that the work they do is a little unethical.
I’m very glad that there’s people thinking outside of the individualist bounds that we usually set for ourselves.
I’d like to point out that the whole problem with those examples is they they claim to be individualist but very much are anything but. For beings like humans who should have individual identity, healthy collective identity is when that doesn’t get overwritten. There are some great scenes in star trek that I like to use to reference what this is like, though of course sci-fi stories are just tools for thought and ultimately need to serve only as inspiration for precise mechanistic thought about the real versions of the same dynamics. The two I’d recommend for those who don’t mind spoilers are the scene where we meet seven of nine, and the scene where jurati talks the queen into something important. I’ll add links to the YouTube videos later.
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted for posting a quote from a communist in a post about collective identity.
I can only reason they are coming from:
people who closely associate with Milton Friedman’s economic position
people with values similar to those set forth by neoliberalism
people who believe Karl Marx was a bad person
similarly to 1, people whose ideologies were critized in his work
If you are not one of these, please let me know so I can adjust my thinking. If you identify with one of the above I think it’s better to use the disagreement karma since I didn’t say anything factually incorrect afaik
Or corporation, many humans act in ways that maximize the profits of a corporation even when they believe that the work they do is a little unethical.
I’m very glad that there’s people thinking outside of the individualist bounds that we usually set for ourselves.
I’d like to point out that the whole problem with those examples is they they claim to be individualist but very much are anything but. For beings like humans who should have individual identity, healthy collective identity is when that doesn’t get overwritten. There are some great scenes in star trek that I like to use to reference what this is like, though of course sci-fi stories are just tools for thought and ultimately need to serve only as inspiration for precise mechanistic thought about the real versions of the same dynamics. The two I’d recommend for those who don’t mind spoilers are the scene where we meet seven of nine, and the scene where jurati talks the queen into something important. I’ll add links to the YouTube videos later.
“The free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.”—Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels, 1848
Not sure why I’m getting downvoted for posting a quote from a communist in a post about collective identity.
I can only reason they are coming from:
people who closely associate with Milton Friedman’s economic position
people with values similar to those set forth by neoliberalism
people who believe Karl Marx was a bad person
similarly to 1, people whose ideologies were critized in his work
If you are not one of these, please let me know so I can adjust my thinking. If you identify with one of the above I think it’s better to use the disagreement karma since I didn’t say anything factually incorrect afaik