Sure thing—looks like I misunderstood your reply to my first comment… But I think you have also misunderstood my intent. let me try to explain.
For example, before making a correction to someone’s comment (by default, an aggressive status move), ask yourself whether you will be communicating new information to the person—something relevant to the discussion that they genuinely didn’t know
I think this may be where you misunderstood me.
I wasn’t trying to add to your ongoing discussion (which looks like it’s something about genetic fitness as it relates to curiosity).
In fact I was merely skimming the comments and happened to notice your first claim about curiosity being only in humans. I happened to be intrigued by that claim and asked if you had more information about the subject (and gave a counter-example).
I wasn’t interested in what came before that comment of yours—which is why I said above that I couldn’t care less about the argument you were making…
I also wasn’t reading other people’s comments, or your replies to the other comments—I in fact had no idea that you had already replied to some other person’s comment that should have somehow made it all clear. I happened to be reading your replies to my comments only (which you do when you get the little orange mail-icon).
When you make comments—please be aware that not everybody is actually following the full discussion.
Therefore I think you have assumed a negative overtone that really wasn’t intended… ever in my comments. I really was just interested in hearing if you had any research on curiosity in other species.
Sure thing—I can absolutely see your point about proportions of species that are curious… now that you’ve made it clear to me in a thread that I’m actually following.
Instead, it’s more like you “caught” me making a “mistake” in the “debate game”
hmmm—I don’t play the debate game so well. You’re quite right that I seized upon what I saw as a mistake of yours… but again, you assume my intent.
Can you tell me, from speaking to me, how much of the sequences I have read? Is it a little? is it a lot? am I a brand new newcomer to the site? Or have I been secretly lurking here for years without posting until recently? I can tell you that I’m not very good at guessing that kind of thing… and clearly, here I made a mistake.
I thought I’d spotted you making a “rookie mistake” and corrected it… assuming (incorrectly as it turns out) that maybe you didn’t know and that it therefore might have a bearing on the rest of what you were trying to say. Go back and check my language and this time assume a charitable intent… and you’ll see that I was not trying to tear you down… but just to explain something that I happened to know...
My apologies for that—clearly I messed up, but I can say that I was genuinely trying to correct an error… not trying to score a point in an argument that I wasn’t even following.
you still should have interpreted it
In my experience, it’s a very bad idea to assume how people should interpret things.
You have misinterpreted me just as much as I think I’ve misinterpreted you here… that is why I’m trying to explain my thinking to you now to explain why I came to the interpretation that I did.
before making a correction to someone’s comment (by default, an aggressive status move), ask yourself whether you will be communicating new information to the person—something relevant to the discussion that they genuinely didn’t know.
I’d like to point out that this site is about learning from mistakes… I’d go so far as to say that correcting errors in people’s comments is a good part of the raison detre of this site… (if not of it’s sister site OB)
I clearly made a mistake about what you were trying to claim… that led me to think you must have made a mistake about how the logic worked.
I apologise again for my own misinterpretations
However, you have also misinterpreted my own intentions in a very uncharitable fashion.
I may well have completely misunderstood that you were making a different point to that which I had at first thought… but I am not making a mistake when I say that on this site—we are allowed to point out errors, and we aren’t going to get very far if pointing them out is considered an act of aggression… rather than an act of help.
So lets talk about aggressive:
This kind of nitpicking is a form of logical rudeness
According to the page you linked-to I was not being logically rude. That page seems to imply that a logically rude person is deliberately trying to derail or win an argument by throwing curveballs or moving the goalposts. As I was not doing either of those things, I think I can say that I was not being logically rude.
I am sorry that your argument became derailed and that what I said may have helped in that… but I really was actually interested in the side-point… not just bringing it up to derail your argument.
If anyone actually has anything interesting to say against this argument, let them say it. Otherwise, let’s not bother.
I have to say I was actually quite upset that you were so dismissive of what I was trying to say. I find that quite aggressive.
as well as the principle of sticking-to-the-point-of-the-discussion-and-not-derailing-the-flow-of-discourse-with-an-attempt-to-gain-status-points-by-showing-off-your-knowledge-of-how-to-form-the-logical-negation-of-a-statement
I find this quite an aggressive claim. As you are now aware—I was not trying to be rude, I was not trying to point-score, I was not even disagreeing with you… as I was not actually involved in your argument.
Can you please retract these rather aggressive claims of yours?
Sure thing—looks like I misunderstood your reply to my first comment… But I think you have also misunderstood my intent. let me try to explain.
I think this may be where you misunderstood me.
I wasn’t trying to add to your ongoing discussion (which looks like it’s something about genetic fitness as it relates to curiosity).
In fact I was merely skimming the comments and happened to notice your first claim about curiosity being only in humans. I happened to be intrigued by that claim and asked if you had more information about the subject (and gave a counter-example).
I wasn’t interested in what came before that comment of yours—which is why I said above that I couldn’t care less about the argument you were making…
I also wasn’t reading other people’s comments, or your replies to the other comments—I in fact had no idea that you had already replied to some other person’s comment that should have somehow made it all clear. I happened to be reading your replies to my comments only (which you do when you get the little orange mail-icon).
When you make comments—please be aware that not everybody is actually following the full discussion.
Therefore I think you have assumed a negative overtone that really wasn’t intended… ever in my comments. I really was just interested in hearing if you had any research on curiosity in other species.
Sure thing—I can absolutely see your point about proportions of species that are curious… now that you’ve made it clear to me in a thread that I’m actually following.
hmmm—I don’t play the debate game so well. You’re quite right that I seized upon what I saw as a mistake of yours… but again, you assume my intent.
Can you tell me, from speaking to me, how much of the sequences I have read? Is it a little? is it a lot? am I a brand new newcomer to the site? Or have I been secretly lurking here for years without posting until recently? I can tell you that I’m not very good at guessing that kind of thing… and clearly, here I made a mistake.
I thought I’d spotted you making a “rookie mistake” and corrected it… assuming (incorrectly as it turns out) that maybe you didn’t know and that it therefore might have a bearing on the rest of what you were trying to say. Go back and check my language and this time assume a charitable intent… and you’ll see that I was not trying to tear you down… but just to explain something that I happened to know...
My apologies for that—clearly I messed up, but I can say that I was genuinely trying to correct an error… not trying to score a point in an argument that I wasn’t even following.
In my experience, it’s a very bad idea to assume how people should interpret things.
You have misinterpreted me just as much as I think I’ve misinterpreted you here… that is why I’m trying to explain my thinking to you now to explain why I came to the interpretation that I did.
I’d like to point out that this site is about learning from mistakes… I’d go so far as to say that correcting errors in people’s comments is a good part of the raison detre of this site… (if not of it’s sister site OB)
I clearly made a mistake about what you were trying to claim… that led me to think you must have made a mistake about how the logic worked.
I apologise again for my own misinterpretations
However, you have also misinterpreted my own intentions in a very uncharitable fashion.
I may well have completely misunderstood that you were making a different point to that which I had at first thought… but I am not making a mistake when I say that on this site—we are allowed to point out errors, and we aren’t going to get very far if pointing them out is considered an act of aggression… rather than an act of help.
So lets talk about aggressive:
According to the page you linked-to I was not being logically rude. That page seems to imply that a logically rude person is deliberately trying to derail or win an argument by throwing curveballs or moving the goalposts. As I was not doing either of those things, I think I can say that I was not being logically rude.
I am sorry that your argument became derailed and that what I said may have helped in that… but I really was actually interested in the side-point… not just bringing it up to derail your argument.
I have to say I was actually quite upset that you were so dismissive of what I was trying to say. I find that quite aggressive.
I find this quite an aggressive claim. As you are now aware—I was not trying to be rude, I was not trying to point-score, I was not even disagreeing with you… as I was not actually involved in your argument.
Can you please retract these rather aggressive claims of yours?