I’ve done some classroom teaching, and I’ve seen how other students react to students who behave similarly (eye rolling, snickering, etc.) I’ve also seen this from the student side, people like to heap scorn on students who act like this (when they aren’t around.)
To be clear, I’m not saying everything PUA’s say is nonsense. They’ve said so much that by sheer random chance some of it is probably good. But most of PUA stuff is terrible armchair theorizing by internet people who seem very angry at women.
ETA: It’s interesting how much of a perspective change classroom teaching gives you. In a typical classroom, students can’t easily see the faces of most of their peers, and their peers reveal a lot because of this.
I’ve done some classroom teaching, and I’ve seen how other students react to students who behave similarly (eye rolling, snickering, etc.) I’ve also seen this from the student side, people like to heap scorn on students who act like this (when they aren’t around.)
It depends on, among other things, how much the students like the lecturer and what kind of subject is being taught (I gather that honesty is valued more, and politeness less, in the hard sciences than in humanities).
To be clear, I’m not saying everything PUA’s say is nonsense. They’ve said so much that by sheer random chance some of it is probably good. But most of PUA stuff is terrible armchair theorizing by internet people who seem very angry at women.
PUA isn’t the only thing that Sturgeon’s Law applies to, though.
I’ve done some classroom teaching, and I’ve seen how other students react to students who behave similarly (eye rolling, snickering, etc.) I’ve also seen this from the student side, people like to heap scorn on students who act like this (when they aren’t around.)
My experience classroom teaching suggests two things:
Hesperidia’s cocky laughter is not the sort of thing that makes students heap scorn on other students except, perhaps, the most sycophantic teacher’s pets or sometimes among cliques of less secure rivals who want to reassure each other.
The behaviours knb is equivocating with are not the same thing. They have different social meaning and different expected results. While for knb the most salient factor may be that each of those behaviours signals lack of respect for authority not all things that potentially lower the status of the teacher are equal or equivalent. Amused laughter that is not stifled by attention is not the same thing as eye rolling.
I’ve done some classroom teaching, and I’ve seen how other students react to students who behave similarly (eye rolling, snickering, etc.) I’ve also seen this from the student side, people like to heap scorn on students who act like this (when they aren’t around.)
To be clear, I’m not saying everything PUA’s say is nonsense. They’ve said so much that by sheer random chance some of it is probably good. But most of PUA stuff is terrible armchair theorizing by internet people who seem very angry at women.
ETA: It’s interesting how much of a perspective change classroom teaching gives you. In a typical classroom, students can’t easily see the faces of most of their peers, and their peers reveal a lot because of this.
It depends on, among other things, how much the students like the lecturer and what kind of subject is being taught (I gather that honesty is valued more, and politeness less, in the hard sciences than in humanities).
PUA isn’t the only thing that Sturgeon’s Law applies to, though.
My experience classroom teaching suggests two things:
Hesperidia’s cocky laughter is not the sort of thing that makes students heap scorn on other students except, perhaps, the most sycophantic teacher’s pets or sometimes among cliques of less secure rivals who want to reassure each other.
The behaviours knb is equivocating with are not the same thing. They have different social meaning and different expected results. While for knb the most salient factor may be that each of those behaviours signals lack of respect for authority not all things that potentially lower the status of the teacher are equal or equivalent. Amused laughter that is not stifled by attention is not the same thing as eye rolling.