Anna says we’re still looking at locations but it’s looking at around $115/person/night just for lodging + meals, and that the 3-day camps actually include 4 nights the way everyone counts things and we have to purchase it. Anna also notes that she and Julia and Michael get $3k/month and this takes way more of their time than just the actual days. So definitely not a Singinst fundraiser. That data is available very easily so I’m posting it right now.
A specific example of an exercise from last year’s minicamp that a lot of people liked was “Value of Information” which included the technical details of how to calculate VoI and exercises in being sensitive to particular forms of scope (how much does it cost, how long does it last, how often does it happen).
We’re still working out the program which is why it’s not posted even tentatively (we were just in the middle of some agonizing about priorities).
Can I just stay in a hostel and eat from the gorcery store?
To make a rational decision, more information is necessary, such as: How much does the hostel cost? Does it have decent beds? Distance from hostel to the place of workshop. Local food costs. Etc. (Don’t forget to include facts like if you sleep in a different place than majority, you deprive yourself of opportunity of some morning/evening informal chat.)
Generally: how much would I really save by “hostel & grocery store” and how much would it reduce my gains from the workshop?
Speaking for myself, I would like to cut some costs (together with the cost of flying it makes my salary for 2 months), but there is always a risk. Once I slept in a hostel with beds so bad that I really did not sleep much that night. Now if I imagine 9 such nights plus jet lag, and the resulting effect on my concentration and memory, I would get much less benefit per dollar spent.
I have friends and relatives who live in the area. How central to the camp is the communal living aspect? What would you charge to commute to it, if that is possible?
I guess we’d charge about 1⁄2 of the total (noting that you’d still be having meals with the rest of us)… but I suspect commuting is harder than you think, given how intensively scheduled it is. Err on the side of applying, and we can discuss.
Also, if anyone’s unable to afford camp for whatever reason, apply anyhow and check the “needs scholarship” box and we can see what can be worked out.
The Bay Area is rather sprawling. It can take 1.5 hours to go from Berkeley to San Jose during rush hour. If they don’t live near where the camp is held, I expect you would regret the commute and find the experience more taxing and less relaxing than the participants staying on site.
It’s still being nailed down and it looks like it will be different locations for different camps, but for now it looks like the one week long one is at a retreat center in the deep East Bay between Walnut Creek and Danville, with one weekend camp in Berkeley and one in the South Bay. Still subject to change until we officially announce.
Anna says we’re still looking at locations but it’s looking at around $115/person/night just for lodging + meals, and that the 3-day camps actually include 4 nights the way everyone counts things and we have to purchase it. Anna also notes that she and Julia and Michael get $3k/month and this takes way more of their time than just the actual days. So definitely not a Singinst fundraiser. That data is available very easily so I’m posting it right now.
A specific example of an exercise from last year’s minicamp that a lot of people liked was “Value of Information” which included the technical details of how to calculate VoI and exercises in being sensitive to particular forms of scope (how much does it cost, how long does it last, how often does it happen).
We’re still working out the program which is why it’s not posted even tentatively (we were just in the middle of some agonizing about priorities).
Wait, what? Can I just stay in a hostel and eat from the gorcery store?
To make a rational decision, more information is necessary, such as: How much does the hostel cost? Does it have decent beds? Distance from hostel to the place of workshop. Local food costs. Etc. (Don’t forget to include facts like if you sleep in a different place than majority, you deprive yourself of opportunity of some morning/evening informal chat.)
Generally: how much would I really save by “hostel & grocery store” and how much would it reduce my gains from the workshop?
Speaking for myself, I would like to cut some costs (together with the cost of flying it makes my salary for 2 months), but there is always a risk. Once I slept in a hostel with beds so bad that I really did not sleep much that night. Now if I imagine 9 such nights plus jet lag, and the resulting effect on my concentration and memory, I would get much less benefit per dollar spent.
Couldn’t the SIAI at least provide this option ? Then, people could decide for themselves whether they want cold cereal or gourmet meals.
I went to an Esperanto thing that was set up like this once.
I have friends and relatives who live in the area. How central to the camp is the communal living aspect? What would you charge to commute to it, if that is possible?
I guess we’d charge about 1⁄2 of the total (noting that you’d still be having meals with the rest of us)… but I suspect commuting is harder than you think, given how intensively scheduled it is. Err on the side of applying, and we can discuss.
Also, if anyone’s unable to afford camp for whatever reason, apply anyhow and check the “needs scholarship” box and we can see what can be worked out.
The Bay Area is rather sprawling. It can take 1.5 hours to go from Berkeley to San Jose during rush hour. If they don’t live near where the camp is held, I expect you would regret the commute and find the experience more taxing and less relaxing than the participants staying on site.
Agree but… if I knew where in the bay area it’s being held I could tell whether it’s just around the corner, or a 1.5 hour commute.
It’s still being nailed down and it looks like it will be different locations for different camps, but for now it looks like the one week long one is at a retreat center in the deep East Bay between Walnut Creek and Danville, with one weekend camp in Berkeley and one in the South Bay. Still subject to change until we officially announce.