Under this view you can totally have intermediary metrics, they just look more like “how much does your society avoid tragedies of the commons” rather than “what is the median quality of life”.
To be clear, this post was not intended as a subtle endorsement of communism. I agree with MondSemmel’s point that basically any system which produced slower economic growth would probably do better under this view, if only because AI development is slower.
Fair point. I would still say that given a specific level of technological advancement and global industrial capacity/globalization, the difference would be minimal. Consider a counterfactual: a world where Communism was far more successful and globally dominant. I expect that such a world would have had slower growth metrics than ours, perhaps they’d have developed similar transistor technology or our prowess with software engineering decades or even a century later. Conversely, they might well have had a more lax approach to intellectual property rights, such that training data was even easier to appropriate (fewer lawsuits, if any).
Even so, a few decades or even a century is barely any time at all. It’s not like we can easily tell if we’re living in a timeline where humanity advanced faster or slower than it would in aggregate. They might well find themselves in precisely the same position as we do, in terms of relative capabilities and x-risk, just at a slightly different date on the calendar. I can’t think of a strong reason for why a world with different ideologies to ours would have, say, differential focused on AI alignment theory without actual AI models to align. Even LessWrong’s theorizing before LLMs was much more abstract than modern interpretability or capability work in actual labs (this is not the same as claiming it was useless).
Finally, this framework still doesn’t strike me as helpful in practice. Even if we had good reason to think that some other political arrangement would been superior in terms of safety, that doesn’t make it very easy to pivot away. It’s hard enough to get companies and countries to coordinate on AI x-risk today, if we also had to reject modern globalized capitalism in the process, I do not see that working out. That’s today or tomorrow, it’s easy to wish that different historical events might have lead to better outcomes, but even that isn’t amenable to interventions without a time machine.
To rephrase, you find yourself in 2026 looking at machines approaching human intelligence. That strikes you as happening very quickly. I think that even in a counterfactual world where you observed the same thing in 1999 or 2045, it wouldn’t strike you as particularly different. We had a massive compute overhang before transformers came out, relative to the size of models being trained ~2017-2022. You could well be a (for the sake of argument) a Soviet researcher worrying about alignment of Communist-GPT in 2060, wishing that the capitalists had won because their ideology appeared so self-destructive and backwards that you believed it would have held back progress for centuries. We really can’t know, we’ve only got one world to observe, and even if we knew with confidence, we can’t do much about it.
Under this view you can totally have intermediary metrics, they just look more like “how much does your society avoid tragedies of the commons” rather than “what is the median quality of life”.
To be clear, this post was not intended as a subtle endorsement of communism. I agree with MondSemmel’s point that basically any system which produced slower economic growth would probably do better under this view, if only because AI development is slower.
Fair point. I would still say that given a specific level of technological advancement and global industrial capacity/globalization, the difference would be minimal. Consider a counterfactual: a world where Communism was far more successful and globally dominant. I expect that such a world would have had slower growth metrics than ours, perhaps they’d have developed similar transistor technology or our prowess with software engineering decades or even a century later. Conversely, they might well have had a more lax approach to intellectual property rights, such that training data was even easier to appropriate (fewer lawsuits, if any).
Even so, a few decades or even a century is barely any time at all. It’s not like we can easily tell if we’re living in a timeline where humanity advanced faster or slower than it would in aggregate. They might well find themselves in precisely the same position as we do, in terms of relative capabilities and x-risk, just at a slightly different date on the calendar. I can’t think of a strong reason for why a world with different ideologies to ours would have, say, differential focused on AI alignment theory without actual AI models to align. Even LessWrong’s theorizing before LLMs was much more abstract than modern interpretability or capability work in actual labs (this is not the same as claiming it was useless).
Finally, this framework still doesn’t strike me as helpful in practice. Even if we had good reason to think that some other political arrangement would been superior in terms of safety, that doesn’t make it very easy to pivot away. It’s hard enough to get companies and countries to coordinate on AI x-risk today, if we also had to reject modern globalized capitalism in the process, I do not see that working out. That’s today or tomorrow, it’s easy to wish that different historical events might have lead to better outcomes, but even that isn’t amenable to interventions without a time machine.
To rephrase, you find yourself in 2026 looking at machines approaching human intelligence. That strikes you as happening very quickly. I think that even in a counterfactual world where you observed the same thing in 1999 or 2045, it wouldn’t strike you as particularly different. We had a massive compute overhang before transformers came out, relative to the size of models being trained ~2017-2022. You could well be a (for the sake of argument) a Soviet researcher worrying about alignment of Communist-GPT in 2060, wishing that the capitalists had won because their ideology appeared so self-destructive and backwards that you believed it would have held back progress for centuries. We really can’t know, we’ve only got one world to observe, and even if we knew with confidence, we can’t do much about it.