Maybe, as far as I can tell I can’t rule out that possibility, but the big difference is that a classical universe can add arbitrary/infinite amounts of information in certain physical law sets in an arbitrarily small space, but quantum mechanics can’t do this, and there are limits to how far you can complete a system such that no independent propositions remain (assuming finite space is used).
Oh, sorry, I wasn’t clear: I didn’t mean a classical universe in the sense of conforming to Newton’s assumptions about the continuity / indefinite divisibility of space [and time]. I meant a classical universe in the sense of all quasi-tangible parameters simultaneously having a determinate value. I think we could still use the concept of logical independence, under such conditions.
Are you focusing on hidden-variable theories of quantum mechanic?
If so, there possibly is such a object, with the caveat that we can’t both have the values be determinate and objective in the sense that the parameter value is the same for any device if we want to reproduce standard quantum mechanics, due to a new no-go theorem:
No, what I’m talking about here has nothing to do with hidden-variable theories. And I still don’t think you understand my position on the EPR argument.
I’m talking about a universe which is classical in the sense of having all parameters be simultaneously determinate without needing hidden variables, but not necessarily classical in the sense of space[/time] always being arbitrarily divisible.
“building blocks of logical independence”? There can still be logical independence in the classical universe, can’t there?
Maybe, as far as I can tell I can’t rule out that possibility, but the big difference is that a classical universe can add arbitrary/infinite amounts of information in certain physical law sets in an arbitrarily small space, but quantum mechanics can’t do this, and there are limits to how far you can complete a system such that no independent propositions remain (assuming finite space is used).
Oh, sorry, I wasn’t clear: I didn’t mean a classical universe in the sense of conforming to Newton’s assumptions about the continuity / indefinite divisibility of space [and time]. I meant a classical universe in the sense of all quasi-tangible parameters simultaneously having a determinate value. I think we could still use the concept of logical independence, under such conditions.
Are you focusing on hidden-variable theories of quantum mechanic?
If so, there possibly is such a object, with the caveat that we can’t both have the values be determinate and objective in the sense that the parameter value is the same for any device if we want to reproduce standard quantum mechanics, due to a new no-go theorem:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochen–Specker_theorem
No, what I’m talking about here has nothing to do with hidden-variable theories. And I still don’t think you understand my position on the EPR argument.
I’m talking about a universe which is classical in the sense of having all parameters be simultaneously determinate without needing hidden variables, but not necessarily classical in the sense of space[/time] always being arbitrarily divisible.