One I’ve noticed is pretty well-intentioned “woke” people are more “lived experiences” oriented and well-intentioned “rationalist” people are more “strong opinions weakly held.” Honestly, if your only goal is truth seeking, and admitting I’m rationalist-biased when I say this and also this is simplified, the “woke” frame is better at breadth and the “rationalist” frame is better at depth. But ohmygosh these arguments can spiral. Neither realize their meta is broken down. The rationalist thinks low-confidence opinions are humility; the woke thinks “I am open to others’ lived experience outside of my own” is humility.
Experientially, yes, I’ve seen both “sides” be well intentioned, in reasonably good faith, both trying to act above a baseline level of rational, and a baseline level of humble along privilege concerns. IDK the solution but the general pattern should be something like reverting to “human” norms not “debate” norms, like use “I feel” statements and draw on what you genuinely have in common at point of debate. (If the answer is “nothing” then either your norms difference escalated to a real fight or you have different instrumental goals so go do something else.)
One I’ve noticed is pretty well-intentioned “woke” people are more “lived experiences” oriented and well-intentioned “rationalist” people are more “strong opinions weakly held.” Honestly, if your only goal is truth seeking, and admitting I’m rationalist-biased when I say this and also this is simplified, the “woke” frame is better at breadth and the “rationalist” frame is better at depth. But ohmygosh these arguments can spiral. Neither realize their meta is broken down. The rationalist thinks low-confidence opinions are humility; the woke thinks “I am open to others’ lived experience outside of my own” is humility.
Experientially, yes, I’ve seen both “sides” be well intentioned, in reasonably good faith, both trying to act above a baseline level of rational, and a baseline level of humble along privilege concerns. IDK the solution but the general pattern should be something like reverting to “human” norms not “debate” norms, like use “I feel” statements and draw on what you genuinely have in common at point of debate. (If the answer is “nothing” then either your norms difference escalated to a real fight or you have different instrumental goals so go do something else.)