I’m trying to make you think a little deeper about your distinction between wireheading and non-wireheading.
Don’t assume you know how deeply I think about it. The only thing I’ve effectively communicated to you so far that I consider it ludicrous to say that “achieving happiness by anything other than reproduction, is already wireheading”
We can agree Yes/No, that this discussion doesn’t have much of anything to do with the Felix scenario, right? Please answer this question.
The point is that your choice of the dividing line is entirely arbitrary (and most people don’t agree where to put dividing line).
Perhaps people don’t have to agree, and the people whose coherent extrapolated volition allows a situation “W” to be done to them, should so have it done to them, regardless of whether you label W to be ‘wireheading’ or ‘wellbeing’.
Or perhaps not. After all, it’s not as if I ever declared Friendliness to be a solved problem, so I don’t know why you keep talking to me as if I claimed it’s easy to arrive at a conclusion.
“Whether such things should be considered “wireheading”?” is what i want you to consider, yes.
I don’t have a binary classifier, absolute wireheading vs non-wireheading. I have the wireheadedness quantity. Connecting a wire straight into your pleasure centre will have wireheadedness of (very close to) 1, reproduction (maximization of expected number of each gene) will have wireheadedness of 0, taking heroin will be close to 1, taking LSD will be lower, the wireheadedness of the art varies depending on how much of your brain is involved in making pleasure out of art (how much involved is the art), and perhaps to how much of a hack the art is, though ultimately all of art is to greater or lesser extent a hack. edit: and i am actually earning my living sort of making art (i make CGI software, but also do CGI myself).
I don’t consider the low wireheadedness to be necessarily good. That’s the christian moral connotations, which I do not share as an atheist grown in non religious family.
Don’t assume you know how deeply I think about it. The only thing I’ve effectively communicated to you so far that I consider it ludicrous to say that “achieving happiness by anything other than reproduction, is already wireheading”
We can agree Yes/No, that this discussion doesn’t have much of anything to do with the Felix scenario, right? Please answer this question.
Perhaps people don’t have to agree, and the people whose coherent extrapolated volition allows a situation “W” to be done to them, should so have it done to them, regardless of whether you label W to be ‘wireheading’ or ‘wellbeing’.
Or perhaps not. After all, it’s not as if I ever declared Friendliness to be a solved problem, so I don’t know why you keep talking to me as if I claimed it’s easy to arrive at a conclusion.
“Whether such things should be considered “wireheading”?” is what i want you to consider, yes.
I don’t have a binary classifier, absolute wireheading vs non-wireheading. I have the wireheadedness quantity. Connecting a wire straight into your pleasure centre will have wireheadedness of (very close to) 1, reproduction (maximization of expected number of each gene) will have wireheadedness of 0, taking heroin will be close to 1, taking LSD will be lower, the wireheadedness of the art varies depending on how much of your brain is involved in making pleasure out of art (how much involved is the art), and perhaps to how much of a hack the art is, though ultimately all of art is to greater or lesser extent a hack. edit: and i am actually earning my living sort of making art (i make CGI software, but also do CGI myself).
I don’t consider the low wireheadedness to be necessarily good. That’s the christian moral connotations, which I do not share as an atheist grown in non religious family.