Specific examples for the first and second interventions would be nice to have!
I wonder whether hypocrisy is a coalition against depravity. People who are aware of their own faults, and yet decide to push back against abandoning the norms; but without admitting guilt, as that would turn them into scapegoats.
And the opposition to hypocrisy is a kind of “Bootleggers and Baptists” situation, consisting of naive people whose analysis of the situation doesn’t go beyond “everyone should just do the right thing, duh”, and the depraved people who prefer the incentives to be set up in a way that forces everyone who fails at being perfect into their coalition. (“How dare you criticize me? Are you perfect? No? Well, that makes you a hypocrite!” yells the person who regularly does something 100x worse than the bad thing you did once.)
Contempt of court penalties for noncompliance with an investigative process is a mainstream example of 1.
Burning Man has some aspects of the second, as do some camping trips, or simply living in a relatively harsh climate. Compare measured levels of corruption in southern vs northern Europe, for instance. When modern democracies fight big wars, the first year involves learning which parts of their warfighting institutions are corrupt and incompetent, & repairing or replacing them.
Specific examples for the first and second interventions would be nice to have!
I wonder whether hypocrisy is a coalition against depravity. People who are aware of their own faults, and yet decide to push back against abandoning the norms; but without admitting guilt, as that would turn them into scapegoats.
And the opposition to hypocrisy is a kind of “Bootleggers and Baptists” situation, consisting of naive people whose analysis of the situation doesn’t go beyond “everyone should just do the right thing, duh”, and the depraved people who prefer the incentives to be set up in a way that forces everyone who fails at being perfect into their coalition. (“How dare you criticize me? Are you perfect? No? Well, that makes you a hypocrite!” yells the person who regularly does something 100x worse than the bad thing you did once.)
Contempt of court penalties for noncompliance with an investigative process is a mainstream example of 1.
Burning Man has some aspects of the second, as do some camping trips, or simply living in a relatively harsh climate. Compare measured levels of corruption in southern vs northern Europe, for instance. When modern democracies fight big wars, the first year involves learning which parts of their warfighting institutions are corrupt and incompetent, & repairing or replacing them.