Brian Macker: Mysterious was maybe the wrong word. Let’s say rather that physical reduction just doesn’t help explain some higher-level phenonmenon.
Your swing example is interesting. There are obvious physical similarities between the two systems (rotation, tension, etc) even if the two swings are made of different materials. But consider the task of adding up a column of 4-digit numbers, You do it on pencil and paper, I use a calculator. There is nothing physical in common with these two activities, but surely they have something in common.
However algorithms (especially running ones) and flexibility do not “exist” unconnected to the physical objects that exhibit them. Just like the other guy pointed out the number four doesn’t exist by itself but can be instantiated in objects. Like a four having four tines.
I agree with this.
The concept resides in your head as a general model, while the actually flexibility of the object is physical.
These concepts that reside in my head are funny things. Presumably they have a physical incarnation in my brain, but they probably have a rather different incarnation in yours. And if we could talk to silicon-based lifeforms from Altair, we would probably find they have a concept of “four”, and maybe even one of “flexible”, which is similar to ours but has nothing physical in common with ours.
You don’t have to consider this mysterious if you don’t want to. But it suggests to me that the reductionist way of looking at the world is, if not wrong, not that useful. You could know all about the states of my neurons’ calcium channels, and it would not help you understand my argument.
Brian Macker: Mysterious was maybe the wrong word. Let’s say rather that physical reduction just doesn’t help explain some higher-level phenonmenon.
Your swing example is interesting. There are obvious physical similarities between the two systems (rotation, tension, etc) even if the two swings are made of different materials. But consider the task of adding up a column of 4-digit numbers, You do it on pencil and paper, I use a calculator. There is nothing physical in common with these two activities, but surely they have something in common.
However algorithms (especially running ones) and flexibility do not “exist” unconnected to the physical objects that exhibit them. Just like the other guy pointed out the number four doesn’t exist by itself but can be instantiated in objects. Like a four having four tines. I agree with this. The concept resides in your head as a general model, while the actually flexibility of the object is physical. These concepts that reside in my head are funny things. Presumably they have a physical incarnation in my brain, but they probably have a rather different incarnation in yours. And if we could talk to silicon-based lifeforms from Altair, we would probably find they have a concept of “four”, and maybe even one of “flexible”, which is similar to ours but has nothing physical in common with ours.
You don’t have to consider this mysterious if you don’t want to. But it suggests to me that the reductionist way of looking at the world is, if not wrong, not that useful. You could know all about the states of my neurons’ calcium channels, and it would not help you understand my argument.