This… is exactly what we’re looking for, isn’t it?
Though it still doesn’t actually do anything with numbers.
I still haven’t gotten around to continuing my own project for a debate tool that actually does calculations involving probabilities, though it has finally risen to the top of my to-do list. I was planning to get back to work on it last weekend, but ended up getting distracted by other things again.
I’m slowly getting more and more determined that a mass-usable but based-on-sound-principles debate/argument tool should be created, and a structure is taking shape in my mind. And somehow none of the tools I have seen can be adapted to fit this bill.
I have seen your extensive comments and articles on this subject here. So :
Are there any serious problems in going mass-based? I would like this because we need to get more arguments, and that can’t be done with a highly rigid and hard-to-use interface and model. This would limit it to those who are extremely passionate, either about the issue, or about putting it in an organized manner.
Are quantitative measures necessary? Right now the quality of arguments is so low, that virtually anything structured is far better than the status quo. Would you say that, without a way of measuring the acceptance, authority, or logical strength, a tool would be ineffective?
Do you disagree that a strong community moderation is far better than very rigid rules in place? A system that rewards editing of arguments into logical nodes on a graph, much more than putting forth a plaintext argument, would encourage moderators in the way http://stackoverflow.com and allied sites do.
As I recall, this was among the tools I tried and quickly dismissed for reasons that had to do with usability, or anyway didn’t make me want to invest further time in. Did you give it a try? Curious what came out of that if you did.
I didn’t try creating any new graphs with this tool, I just clicked around a couple of existing graphs for a couple minutes, then said “hey, this is pretty cool, I’m going to post to LW about it now”. I did a quick check of the debate tools wiki page, and didn’t find it in the list, so I added it to the list.
Today I did a google search for “debate map”, and this was the very first result:
http://debategraph.org/
This… is exactly what we’re looking for, isn’t it?
Though it still doesn’t actually do anything with numbers.
I still haven’t gotten around to continuing my own project for a debate tool that actually does calculations involving probabilities, though it has finally risen to the top of my to-do list. I was planning to get back to work on it last weekend, but ended up getting distracted by other things again.
I’m slowly getting more and more determined that a mass-usable but based-on-sound-principles debate/argument tool should be created, and a structure is taking shape in my mind. And somehow none of the tools I have seen can be adapted to fit this bill.
I have seen your extensive comments and articles on this subject here. So :
Are there any serious problems in going mass-based? I would like this because we need to get more arguments, and that can’t be done with a highly rigid and hard-to-use interface and model. This would limit it to those who are extremely passionate, either about the issue, or about putting it in an organized manner.
Are quantitative measures necessary? Right now the quality of arguments is so low, that virtually anything structured is far better than the status quo. Would you say that, without a way of measuring the acceptance, authority, or logical strength, a tool would be ineffective?
Do you disagree that a strong community moderation is far better than very rigid rules in place? A system that rewards editing of arguments into logical nodes on a graph, much more than putting forth a plaintext argument, would encourage moderators in the way http://stackoverflow.com and allied sites do.
Can I PM/ping you?
As I recall, this was among the tools I tried and quickly dismissed for reasons that had to do with usability, or anyway didn’t make me want to invest further time in. Did you give it a try? Curious what came out of that if you did.
I didn’t try creating any new graphs with this tool, I just clicked around a couple of existing graphs for a couple minutes, then said “hey, this is pretty cool, I’m going to post to LW about it now”. I did a quick check of the debate tools wiki page, and didn’t find it in the list, so I added it to the list.