Maybe the fact that those other examples aren’t intelligence supports the original argument that intelligence works in quantum leaps.
You can even take examples from within humanity, the smartest humans are capable of things far beyond the dumbest (I doubt even a hundred village idiots working together could do what Einstein managed), and in this case there is not even any difference in brain size or speed.
Maybe the fact that those other examples aren’t intelligence supports the original argument that intelligence works in quantum leaps.
Why didn’t it happen before then? Are there animals that are vastly more intelligent than their immediate predecessors? I don’t see any support for the conclusion that what happened between us and our last common ancestor with the great apes is something that happens often.
You can even take examples from within humanity, the smartest humans are capable of things far beyond the dumbest...
I don’t think this is much supported. You would have to account for different upbringing, education, culturual and environmental differences and a lot of dumb luck. And even the smartest humans are dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants. Sometimes the time is simply ripe, thanks to the previous discoveries of unknown unknowns.
Why didn’t it happen before then? Are there animals that are vastly more intelligent than their immediate predecessors? I don’t see any support for the conclusion that what happened between us and our last common ancestor with the great apes is something that happens often.
Sure. But that’s isn’t so much evidence for intelligence not being a big deal as it is that there might be very few paths of increasing intelligence which are also increasing fitness. Intelligence takes a lot of resources and most life-forms don’t exist in nutrition rich and calorie rich environments.
But there is other evidence to support your claim. There are other species that are almost as intelligent as humans (e.g. dolphins and elephants) that have not done much with it. So one might say that the ability to make tools is a useful one also and that humans had better toolmaking appendages. However, even this isn’t satisfactory since even separate human populations have remained in close to stasis for hundreds of thousands of years, and the primary hallmarks of civilization such as writing and permanent settlements only arose a handful of times.
You would have to account for different upbringing, education, culturual and environmental differences and a lot of dumb luck.
I don’t think this is relevant to most of Benelliot’s point. Upbringing, education, culture, and environment all impact eventual intelligence for humans because we are very malleable creatures. Ben’s remark commented on the difference between smart and dumb humans, not the difference between those genetically predisposed to be smarter or dumber (which seems to be what your remark is responding to).
Maybe the fact that those other examples aren’t intelligence supports the original argument that intelligence works in quantum leaps.
You can even take examples from within humanity, the smartest humans are capable of things far beyond the dumbest (I doubt even a hundred village idiots working together could do what Einstein managed), and in this case there is not even any difference in brain size or speed.
Why didn’t it happen before then? Are there animals that are vastly more intelligent than their immediate predecessors? I don’t see any support for the conclusion that what happened between us and our last common ancestor with the great apes is something that happens often.
I don’t think this is much supported. You would have to account for different upbringing, education, culturual and environmental differences and a lot of dumb luck. And even the smartest humans are dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants. Sometimes the time is simply ripe, thanks to the previous discoveries of unknown unknowns.
Sure. But that’s isn’t so much evidence for intelligence not being a big deal as it is that there might be very few paths of increasing intelligence which are also increasing fitness. Intelligence takes a lot of resources and most life-forms don’t exist in nutrition rich and calorie rich environments.
But there is other evidence to support your claim. There are other species that are almost as intelligent as humans (e.g. dolphins and elephants) that have not done much with it. So one might say that the ability to make tools is a useful one also and that humans had better toolmaking appendages. However, even this isn’t satisfactory since even separate human populations have remained in close to stasis for hundreds of thousands of years, and the primary hallmarks of civilization such as writing and permanent settlements only arose a handful of times.
I don’t think this is relevant to most of Benelliot’s point. Upbringing, education, culture, and environment all impact eventual intelligence for humans because we are very malleable creatures. Ben’s remark commented on the difference between smart and dumb humans, not the difference between those genetically predisposed to be smarter or dumber (which seems to be what your remark is responding to).