as an asian woman, i find a lot of asian men in the US unattractive. NYC is probably the only exception to the rule here. maybe this perception was shaped by boy bands or something, but i find myself more attracted to asian men when i’m actually in asia, so probably not. i’d be willing to grant that many asian women in the US are not attractive either by asian standards. i do not have a good explanation for why this is the case.
i tend to see AMAF (as opposed to WMAF) pairings when both partners grew up in asia and the US is the first country they’ve lived in outside of their home country.
i have been told that white men have different preferences for asian women features—like high cheekbones that would not have been regarded as attractive in asia are seen as attractive, or so i heard.
also asians are on average more neurotic i think, and neuroticism in a guy is not that attractive in the west
One other interesting sort of anecdata I’ve heard is the trouble with Asian American males trying to date Native Asian females (like a tech or finance professional working overseas in Singapore, China, SK, etc.). There isn’t an attractiveness gap, but there is a cultural gap where Asian women are more forthright about asking things like “do you have a car?”, “do you have a house? why not?”, etc. There’s like an odd maneuver we do in Western dating were women are not allowed to explicitly ask about financial matters, but the men are expected to make it legible.
I’m interested in this idea you’re raising about neuroticism and race. I find Gold et al. (2008):
Yeah it looks like you’re correct, Asians are more neurotic due to a deficit in even-temperedness, though the other subcomponents of neuroticism are favorable to Asians. But there do seem to be large effects favorable w.r.t. attractiveness for Asians for agreeableness and conscientiousness.
Interestingly it seems like Blacks have better 5 factor than Asians in pretty much every respect:
There’s like an odd maneuver we do in Western dating were women are not allowed to explicitly ask about financial matters, but the men are expected to make it legible.
Yeah this makes sense, or the way of making it legible are different. Status hierarchies are also different, the good jobs in the west aren’t necessarily the same and you end up having to ask explicit questions. There’s also a cultural gap of native asian women being more “whiny”/”negging” when asking for things I think.
Asians are more neurotic due to a deficit in even-temperedness, though the other subcomponents of neuroticism are favorable to Asians. But there do seem to be large effects favorable w.r.t. attractiveness for Asians for agreeableness and conscientiousness.
Thanks for the data; this is is really interesting! Even-temperedness doesn’t come up as much in dating discourse, but it seems like an important part of mate selection… Ex. you wouldn’t date someone who gets angry easily in the west, especially if it was the level of anger where they’re breaking items regularly. Asians also way, way more agreeable than whites, huh. Probably have to read the paper for this, but all the N’s are different for all the different facets too.
But maybe the 5-factor analysis doesn’t have much explanatory power here? Like if Blacks are so much better on the big-5, why are they so discriminated against on the dating market?
all men, except for black men, are the most exclusionary of black women, [...] all groups are more accepting of Asian women and Latinas over their male counterparts.
as an asian woman, i find a lot of asian men in the US unattractive. NYC is probably the only exception to the rule here. maybe this perception was shaped by boy bands or something, but i find myself more attracted to asian men when i’m actually in asia, so probably not. i’d be willing to grant that many asian women in the US are not attractive either by asian standards. i do not have a good explanation for why this is the case.
i tend to see AMAF (as opposed to WMAF) pairings when both partners grew up in asia and the US is the first country they’ve lived in outside of their home country.
i have been told that white men have different preferences for asian women features—like high cheekbones that would not have been regarded as attractive in asia are seen as attractive, or so i heard.
also asians are on average more neurotic i think, and neuroticism in a guy is not that attractive in the west
One other interesting sort of anecdata I’ve heard is the trouble with Asian American males trying to date Native Asian females (like a tech or finance professional working overseas in Singapore, China, SK, etc.). There isn’t an attractiveness gap, but there is a cultural gap where Asian women are more forthright about asking things like “do you have a car?”, “do you have a house? why not?”, etc. There’s like an odd maneuver we do in Western dating were women are not allowed to explicitly ask about financial matters, but the men are expected to make it legible.
I’m interested in this idea you’re raising about neuroticism and race. I find Gold et al. (2008):
Yeah it looks like you’re correct, Asians are more neurotic due to a deficit in even-temperedness, though the other subcomponents of neuroticism are favorable to Asians. But there do seem to be large effects favorable w.r.t. attractiveness for Asians for agreeableness and conscientiousness.
Interestingly it seems like Blacks have better 5 factor than Asians in pretty much every respect:
Yeah this makes sense, or the way of making it legible are different. Status hierarchies are also different, the good jobs in the west aren’t necessarily the same and you end up having to ask explicit questions. There’s also a cultural gap of native asian women being more “whiny”/”negging” when asking for things I think.
Thanks for the data; this is is really interesting! Even-temperedness doesn’t come up as much in dating discourse, but it seems like an important part of mate selection… Ex. you wouldn’t date someone who gets angry easily in the west, especially if it was the level of anger where they’re breaking items regularly. Asians also way, way more agreeable than whites, huh. Probably have to read the paper for this, but all the N’s are different for all the different facets too.
But maybe the 5-factor analysis doesn’t have much explanatory power here? Like if Blacks are so much better on the big-5, why are they so discriminated against on the dating market?