While you’re making accusations about “having an agenda with the leverage/paradigm thing”: would you kindly disclose any connection you have with Leverage/Paradigm/Geoff?
(I reckon p=0.2 you are Literal Geoff Anders, and p=0.65 you are some other Leverage-associated person trying to do damage control.)
Also: you apparently consider that any time Aella talks about anything she has unfairly outsized influence because of being “a smart rationalist porn star” etc. etc. -- but what’s she supposed to do about this? Never say anything about anything for fear of being too persuasive?
Let’s suppose you’re right that this is really all about Leverage, and look at some parallels. Geoff Anders is, by all accounts, charismatic and persuasive. He has an “aspirational narrative” of his own (I dunno, maybe he’s abandoned it lately in the light of the bad publicity Leverage has had?) about understanding psychology better and developing better mental tools and saving the world. If everything you say about Aella’s unfair advantages in persuasion is true, and if she’s setting herself against Leverage … well, it sounds like a fair fight to me overall, even if Leverage is now not well placed to defend itself. Geoff had more power in the past; maybe Aella has more power now; if Aella thinks Geoff is still trying to do harm, why shouldn’t she try to stop that using the advantages she (allegedly) has that are parallel to the advantages that helped Geoff do harm in the past?
(Since this has become super-confrontational, my own position: Leverage sounds super-sketchy to me but I have no personal experience with them and I am not physically on the same continent as them; the tweet from Geoff Anders linked in the OP is obviously every bit as bad as Aella says it is and would on its own suffice to convince me that I never ever want to have anything to do with the person who made it; I am a heterosexual man but have literally no idea what Aella looks like and am therefore unlikely to be being influenced much by her alleged hotness or pornstarriness; I agree that OP can itself be seen as an instance of attempted “frame control” and that in some sense “frame control” is happening all the time in a large fraction of interactions; I think it is none the less valuable to have (1) a term for that thing and (2) more common knowledge that it’s a thing that can be done abusively, which it absolutely is.)
I have not knowingly been “influenced by Aella” in any sense other than having read a few things she wrote and, so far as I can recall (which is not very far) found them interesting.
I find that I am not sure I believe you when you say “No affiliation”. I’m not sure there’s anything useful you can do with this information, which I regret, but you might want to know that the impression you’re giving is very much not one of honesty and reliability.
While you’re making accusations about “having an agenda with the leverage/paradigm thing”: would you kindly disclose any connection you have with Leverage/Paradigm/Geoff?
(I reckon p=0.2 you are Literal Geoff Anders, and p=0.65 you are some other Leverage-associated person trying to do damage control.)
Also: you apparently consider that any time Aella talks about anything she has unfairly outsized influence because of being “a smart rationalist porn star” etc. etc. -- but what’s she supposed to do about this? Never say anything about anything for fear of being too persuasive?
Let’s suppose you’re right that this is really all about Leverage, and look at some parallels. Geoff Anders is, by all accounts, charismatic and persuasive. He has an “aspirational narrative” of his own (I dunno, maybe he’s abandoned it lately in the light of the bad publicity Leverage has had?) about understanding psychology better and developing better mental tools and saving the world. If everything you say about Aella’s unfair advantages in persuasion is true, and if she’s setting herself against Leverage … well, it sounds like a fair fight to me overall, even if Leverage is now not well placed to defend itself. Geoff had more power in the past; maybe Aella has more power now; if Aella thinks Geoff is still trying to do harm, why shouldn’t she try to stop that using the advantages she (allegedly) has that are parallel to the advantages that helped Geoff do harm in the past?
(Since this has become super-confrontational, my own position: Leverage sounds super-sketchy to me but I have no personal experience with them and I am not physically on the same continent as them; the tweet from Geoff Anders linked in the OP is obviously every bit as bad as Aella says it is and would on its own suffice to convince me that I never ever want to have anything to do with the person who made it; I am a heterosexual man but have literally no idea what Aella looks like and am therefore unlikely to be being influenced much by her alleged hotness or pornstarriness; I agree that OP can itself be seen as an instance of attempted “frame control” and that in some sense “frame control” is happening all the time in a large fraction of interactions; I think it is none the less valuable to have (1) a term for that thing and (2) more common knowledge that it’s a thing that can be done abusively, which it absolutely is.)
I think there is a bit of Geoff Anders in all of us. I seem to be the only one here happy to admit it.
I guess that’s addressed to me?
I have not knowingly been “influenced by Aella” in any sense other than having read a few things she wrote and, so far as I can recall (which is not very far) found them interesting.
I find that I am not sure I believe you when you say “No affiliation”. I’m not sure there’s anything useful you can do with this information, which I regret, but you might want to know that the impression you’re giving is very much not one of honesty and reliability.