I’ve thought about these comments now over several hours and I do indeed think they are quite bad. I have deleted one and may delete/lock others others in the subthreads.
It’s tricky to precisely specify the badness with explicit principles, but won’t succeed entirely here. A very strong element of the badness in the first comment above (“Your whole career...”) is leveraging negative intuitions and associations about working in porn that feel misguided and also without justification or explanation of relevance. Similarly, while I feel that accusations that someone is exploiting morally-grey areas really needs to be backed up with examples and relevance to the post.
I think there is a steelman-able core in your comments, but a different tact is needed for productive discussion. A quick sketch might be “I am concerned that you are using undue influence to push your agenda on an ongoing sensitive community matter without being upfront about that. I don’t feel that the method of persuasion here (using your personal story) is legitimate. This is not proper process. I find it frustrating that you’re doing this and that other people seem to like it” – I’m sure that’s not exactly true to what you’d say, but a comment phrased like that is something I could engage with, agreeing, disagreeing, questioning, etc.
I should have been clear in my message above, I am leaving the initial ban in place for the original accounts and for the subsequent accounts being made. The ongoing comment pattern continues to seem quite bad to me.
blueiris’s posts read to me as a combination of good concepts & poor quality attacks/attempts to defend leverage (or something?). Personally I’d mind the attacks more if they were more successful and/or less obvious I think? As-is they’re annoying but don’t seem very dangerous epistemically.
I’ve thought about these comments now over several hours and I do indeed think they are quite bad. I have deleted one and may delete/lock others others in the subthreads.
It’s tricky to precisely specify the badness with explicit principles, but won’t succeed entirely here. A very strong element of the badness in the first comment above (“Your whole career...”) is leveraging negative intuitions and associations about working in porn that feel misguided and also without justification or explanation of relevance. Similarly, while I feel that accusations that someone is exploiting morally-grey areas really needs to be backed up with examples and relevance to the post.
I think there is a steelman-able core in your comments, but a different tact is needed for productive discussion. A quick sketch might be “I am concerned that you are using undue influence to push your agenda on an ongoing sensitive community matter without being upfront about that. I don’t feel that the method of persuasion here (using your personal story) is legitimate. This is not proper process. I find it frustrating that you’re doing this and that other people seem to like it” – I’m sure that’s not exactly true to what you’d say, but a comment phrased like that is something I could engage with, agreeing, disagreeing, questioning, etc.
I should have been clear in my message above, I am leaving the initial ban in place for the original accounts and for the subsequent accounts being made. The ongoing comment pattern continues to seem quite bad to me.
blueiris’s posts read to me as a combination of good concepts & poor quality attacks/attempts to defend leverage (or something?). Personally I’d mind the attacks more if they were more successful and/or less obvious I think? As-is they’re annoying but don’t seem very dangerous epistemically.