That was from before, I convinced him to condense his entire wall of text into 4 premises[1]—I used the analogy of it being a test for finding interested people so that he can expand later with his wall of texts— but that took around 3 hours of back and forth in lw-cord because otherwise it goes in circle. Besides I find him funny too. He still managed to get banned from multiple servers afterwards, so I think it’s just his personality and social skills. It’s possible to nudge him in certain directions, but it takes a lot of effort, his bottom line is kind of set on his cause.
I would summarise it as “evolutionary s-risk due to exponentially increasing contamination by panspermia caused by space exploration” . (He thinks the current organisations monitoring this are dysfunctional)
Other trivia includes, I told him to go attend an EA meetup in munich. He was convinced he will make an impact, but was disappointed that only few people attended, although his impression was mostly positive. (If you know about more meetups or events in munich regarding this particular cause let me know I will forward it to him)
On the lw-cord thing, Kabir kumar, posted an advert for an event he was hosting, with some slogan calling in who’s qualified. Aran basically went on to paraphrase “but I am the most important person and he banned me from his server, so he’s a liar”, the lw-cord mod got mildly annoyed at his rude behavior and muted him.
But he didn’t actually leave because he got muted—he has been muted several times from hundreds of servers—he cited the reason that some other user in discord was obnoxious to him from time to time, this same user was called “clown” by aran when they had an ethical disagreement and renamed his server alias to “The Clown King” to mock aran. He also had a change in heart with that approach, given not many people took his cause as seriously as him on discord. Nowadays he’s in his moral ambition phase, he even enrolled in a mars innovation competition for children and got graded 33⁄45, because his project didn’t innovate anything, he just posted about his ethical cause.
He has been oneshotted by inside view enough times, that he thinks he has access to infohazards which have potential to stop elon musk from launching things into space. For example, his latest public one is that under UN weapons of mass destruction treaty all interplanetary space travel are prohibited and people should be prosecuted for that. [2]
He has a masters in maths,his now deleted reddit account is u/eterniseddragon, he has sent emails regarding his cause to 100k people and organisations(easily searchable on lw-cord)[3], he even has a text file with all the mail ids etc.
Premise 1: Evolution of life on exoplanets or solar system ice moons, if it happened or were to be caused as consequence of being risked to be caused, intentionally so or by accident, would entail an—by orders of magnitudes unprecedentedly—enormous amount of eventual far-future wild animal suffering.
Premise 2: Evolution can unfold in millions of different ways.
Premise 3: The window of possible outcomes from such evolution processes (between best and worst versions of evolution) in terms of well-being or suffering is extremely large, i.e. the interval size of the total summed up suffering is gargantuan.
Premise 4: Absolutely any form of near-future introduction of microbes to planets or moons likely leads to an intolerably/unacceptably sub-optimal or negative outcome for an enormous number of animals eventually emerging from these microbes, leading to incompensatable scales of suffering.
Conclusion: Humanity at almost any costs (outside of humanity’s extinction), in about the worst case including even MAD, must prevent/avoid so-called interplanetary/interstellar microbial forward contamination for centuries, based on utilitarianism, the fundamental ethical principle, together with the rational, unbiased-compassion-requiring but non-negotiable trolley problem solution logic. Morality is scientific, not made up. We must not let this happen!
Subject: Irrefutable Proof that Interplanetary Space Probes constitute Weapons of Mass Destruction & Immediate Legal Consequences are Necessary RETURN, CEASE & DESIST ALL CURRENT AND FUTURE INTERPLANETARY MISSIONS IMMEDIATELY! THIS IS A MORAL & LEGAL ULTIMATUM AS PER ARTICLES IV & IX OF THE OUTER SPACE TREATY! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009457652500181X We demand an immediate moratorium on activities and technologies that risk microbial interplanetary forward contamination! Proof of the applicability of Article IV of the OST, based on the definition of WMDs in 1977 by the General Assembly of the UN through its resolution referred to as “A/RES/32/84-B”: https://www.unrcpd.org/wmd/ “Weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) constitute a class of weaponry with the potential to: [...]
Disseminate disease-causing organisms or toxins to harm or kill humans, animals or plants;”
Interplanetary space probes carrying microbes are a means by which those microbes can be disseminated, and microbes are a form of organisms capable of causing disease, and therefore they are disease-causing organisms, as specified in the above official declaration in the defining context of WMDs. Microbes can kick-start evolution causing animal suffering for eons.
I have touched grass with long term commitment a month ago and left discord,twitter,reddit in general except for dms and real life work, so I cannot link this here, but you may recognise me, if you have been on there on few of those discords—namely bayesianconspiracy,lesswrong discord—by my multiple usernames and accounts: dogmaticrationalist, militantrationalist, curiousinquirer, averagepcuser, averagediscorduser, RatAnon.
I even trolled a bunch of discord servers by creating a huge list of link in a discord thread on lw-cord, such that aran finds it easier to find servers(although I wasn’t that explicit with my non altruistic motives) but it was funny to watch him go and get banned. Optimised dating server banned him very quickly from what I have heard. In hindsight I apologize for any inconvenience.
Thanks for the example. It’s honestly entertaining and at times hilarious to go through his comment history. It does seem to qualify as spam, though.
That was from before, I convinced him to condense his entire wall of text into 4 premises[1]—I used the analogy of it being a test for finding interested people so that he can expand later with his wall of texts— but that took around 3 hours of back and forth in lw-cord because otherwise it goes in circle. Besides I find him funny too. He still managed to get banned from multiple servers afterwards, so I think it’s just his personality and social skills. It’s possible to nudge him in certain directions, but it takes a lot of effort, his bottom line is kind of set on his cause.
I would summarise it as “evolutionary s-risk due to exponentially increasing contamination by panspermia caused by space exploration” . (He thinks the current organisations monitoring this are dysfunctional)
Other trivia includes, I told him to go attend an EA meetup in munich. He was convinced he will make an impact, but was disappointed that only few people attended, although his impression was mostly positive. (If you know about more meetups or events in munich regarding this particular cause let me know I will forward it to him)
On the lw-cord thing, Kabir kumar, posted an advert for an event he was hosting, with some slogan calling in who’s qualified. Aran basically went on to paraphrase “but I am the most important person and he banned me from his server, so he’s a liar”, the lw-cord mod got mildly annoyed at his rude behavior and muted him.
But he didn’t actually leave because he got muted—he has been muted several times from hundreds of servers—he cited the reason that some other user in discord was obnoxious to him from time to time, this same user was called “clown” by aran when they had an ethical disagreement and renamed his server alias to “The Clown King” to mock aran. He also had a change in heart with that approach, given not many people took his cause as seriously as him on discord. Nowadays he’s in his moral ambition phase, he even enrolled in a mars innovation competition for children and got graded 33⁄45, because his project didn’t innovate anything, he just posted about his ethical cause.
He has been oneshotted by inside view enough times, that he thinks he has access to infohazards which have potential to stop elon musk from launching things into space. For example, his latest public one is that under UN weapons of mass destruction treaty all interplanetary space travel are prohibited and people should be prosecuted for that. [2]
He has a masters in maths,his now deleted reddit account is u/eterniseddragon, he has sent emails regarding his cause to 100k people and organisations(easily searchable on lw-cord)[3], he even has a text file with all the mail ids etc.
I think those are the main highlights anyways.
I have touched grass with long term commitment a month ago and left discord,twitter,reddit in general except for dms and real life work, so I cannot link this here, but you may recognise me, if you have been on there on few of those discords—namely bayesianconspiracy,lesswrong discord—by my multiple usernames and accounts: dogmaticrationalist, militantrationalist, curiousinquirer, averagepcuser, averagediscorduser, RatAnon.
I even trolled a bunch of discord servers by creating a huge list of link in a discord thread on lw-cord, such that aran finds it easier to find servers(although I wasn’t that explicit with my non altruistic motives) but it was funny to watch him go and get banned. Optimised dating server banned him very quickly from what I have heard. In hindsight I apologize for any inconvenience.