A lot of my related knowledge comes from in person teaching and not from reading books, so I unfortunately can’t point you to specific sources for everything.
The best related research does come these days from the people that gather around the Fascia Research Congress. A few Rolfers like Robert Schleip and Thomas Myers decided to give academic science a go and across bodywork discipline and related academia the Fascia Research Congress is the central venue for going beyond the methologies of individual disciplines.
Tense fascia leads to high muscle tone and that can then make individual body parts tense enough to hurt. When the problem travels between different parts of the body that’s often what’s happening
From that point it frequently also happens that you get inflammation in that body part which produces additional issues.
As humans age, bones in various joints grow which results in a loss of flexibility. It might be that this isn’t true for a hunter gatherer who uses his joints a lot more then the average Westerner but bone growth does reduce flexbility of joints as people grow older.
Cartilage like the meniscus for the knee often gets thinner over time which produces joint problems. The old fashioned belief is that such cartilage doesn’t grow back. These days we have research at the leading edge that suggest that sometimes some cartilage grows back but we don’t have good models about it.
Various other illnesses also lead to joint problems. Lymn disease for example can produce joint pain.
Fascia Research Congress. A few Rolfers like Robert Schleip and Thomas Myers
I’ll look into the Fascia Research Congress and these two!
Tense fascia leads to high muscle tone and that can then make individual body parts tense enough to hurt. When the problem travels between different parts of the body that’s often what’s happening
Does that suggest that trigger-point release, various forms of massage and something like Paul Ingraham’s mobalization prescription are good starting places?
From that point it frequently also happens that you get inflammation in that body part which produces additional issues.
Any suggestions how to tell if you have inflammation and what to do if you do? Ingraham’s Patella Femoral Syndrome tutorial is basically a book disquisition about low-level systemic inflammation in the knee cap, and his prescription is: lots and lots of gentle rest. He suggests the knee cap may be an unusual joint in that it it’s under a lot of pressure even if just sitting still with a knee bent at 90 degrees, so recovery can be hard, but I’m guessing “lots of rest + standard PRICE treatment” is the typical prescription for other inflamed joints?
I’ll look into the Fascia Research Congress and these two!
Thomas Myers wrote Anatomy Trains two decades ago which is a text book that was important for giving the field form. At that time it was state of the art. The general concept of myofascial meridians is a very useful gearmodel. On the other hand it’s two decades old and I have been told that a lot of the book is outdated and Myers himself is not a person who’s good at updating.
Robert Schleip is these days seen more as an authority.
Any suggestions how to tell if you have inflammation and what to do if you do?
Inflammation generally means that the knee starts hurting when you use it and it starts hurting more when you use it more. It’s worth noting here that a torn muscle can also hurt if you put pressure on it. Infortunately, I can’t tell you much more here.
Inflammation does mean that the joint needs rest but it’s important to move enough to not get more stiff. Ibuprophen can also reduce inflammation. In December after just being inside for a few weeks I went walking and put too much stress on my new. A week of Ibuprophen was what my aunt who’s a normal doctor recommended.
But that wasn’t “low level inflammation”. When it comes to “low level inflammation” I think it’s hard to know what’s going on. When it comes to fascia or muscles you have osteopaths you have good feedback loops to understand the effects of their actions by feeling with their hands what happens. When it comes to “low level inflammation” that’s a model that you can’t directly feel with your hands and thus while bodyworkers might have a theory about it being a cause, they don’t have feedback processes to validate that theory.
While the theory of “low level inflammation” is plausible it’s from my perspective problematic that the people talking about it don’t have good ways to know whether they are right or wrong.
It’s similar to how Todd R. Hargrove is someone who gathered the knowledge he has primarily through feedback loops involves movement and is therefore more trustworthy when he says “I you do these movements, that happens” then when he speculates about what the involved neurons are doing.
It’s always good to ask yourself in a field like this where a lot of knowledge doesn’t come out of traditional academia how people know things and whether they are exposed to feedback loops that allow them to know what they are talking about.
Does that suggest that trigger-point release, various forms of massage and something like Paul Ingraham’s mobalization prescription are good starting places?
My personal experience with messages by people trained in physiotherapy is that they often don’t produce latesting effects, but it depends a lot on the skill level of the person and message is a fairly broad term.
A lot of people who do have skill trained in some particular methology that’s not globally available. What’s globally available is osteopaths who are generally well trained.
I don’t have much experience with trigger-point release myself nor talked about it with someone who understands how things work. If you do observe that it’s a way you can reduce your body tension over periods that are more then a few hours then it’s something in favor of it but it seems very indirect to me.
It’s similar to how Todd R. Hargrove is someone who gathered the knowledge he has primarily through feedback loops involves movement and is therefore more trustworthy when he says “I you do these movements, that happens” then when he speculates about what the involved neurons are doing.
Are you skeptical of the central nervous system sensitization pain mechanism?
My general prior is to be skeptical of most neuro-based explanations for phenomena outside of neuroscience. Hypothesis might be true, but it’s very hard to check whether they are true. I generally prefer knowledge that’s backed by empirics over knowledge that rests on assumptions about understanding of how a black box works internally.
A lot of my related knowledge comes from in person teaching and not from reading books, so I unfortunately can’t point you to specific sources for everything.
The best related research does come these days from the people that gather around the Fascia Research Congress. A few Rolfers like Robert Schleip and Thomas Myers decided to give academic science a go and across bodywork discipline and related academia the Fascia Research Congress is the central venue for going beyond the methologies of individual disciplines.
Tense fascia leads to high muscle tone and that can then make individual body parts tense enough to hurt. When the problem travels between different parts of the body that’s often what’s happening
From that point it frequently also happens that you get inflammation in that body part which produces additional issues.
As humans age, bones in various joints grow which results in a loss of flexibility. It might be that this isn’t true for a hunter gatherer who uses his joints a lot more then the average Westerner but bone growth does reduce flexbility of joints as people grow older.
Cartilage like the meniscus for the knee often gets thinner over time which produces joint problems. The old fashioned belief is that such cartilage doesn’t grow back. These days we have research at the leading edge that suggest that sometimes some cartilage grows back but we don’t have good models about it.
Various other illnesses also lead to joint problems. Lymn disease for example can produce joint pain.
I’ll look into the Fascia Research Congress and these two!
Does that suggest that trigger-point release, various forms of massage and something like Paul Ingraham’s mobalization prescription are good starting places?
Any suggestions how to tell if you have inflammation and what to do if you do? Ingraham’s Patella Femoral Syndrome tutorial is basically a book disquisition about low-level systemic inflammation in the knee cap, and his prescription is: lots and lots of gentle rest. He suggests the knee cap may be an unusual joint in that it it’s under a lot of pressure even if just sitting still with a knee bent at 90 degrees, so recovery can be hard, but I’m guessing “lots of rest + standard PRICE treatment” is the typical prescription for other inflamed joints?
Thomas Myers wrote Anatomy Trains two decades ago which is a text book that was important for giving the field form. At that time it was state of the art. The general concept of myofascial meridians is a very useful gearmodel. On the other hand it’s two decades old and I have been told that a lot of the book is outdated and Myers himself is not a person who’s good at updating.
Robert Schleip is these days seen more as an authority.
Inflammation generally means that the knee starts hurting when you use it and it starts hurting more when you use it more. It’s worth noting here that a torn muscle can also hurt if you put pressure on it. Infortunately, I can’t tell you much more here.
Inflammation does mean that the joint needs rest but it’s important to move enough to not get more stiff. Ibuprophen can also reduce inflammation. In December after just being inside for a few weeks I went walking and put too much stress on my new. A week of Ibuprophen was what my aunt who’s a normal doctor recommended.
But that wasn’t “low level inflammation”. When it comes to “low level inflammation” I think it’s hard to know what’s going on. When it comes to fascia or muscles you have osteopaths you have good feedback loops to understand the effects of their actions by feeling with their hands what happens. When it comes to “low level inflammation” that’s a model that you can’t directly feel with your hands and thus while bodyworkers might have a theory about it being a cause, they don’t have feedback processes to validate that theory.
While the theory of “low level inflammation” is plausible it’s from my perspective problematic that the people talking about it don’t have good ways to know whether they are right or wrong.
It’s similar to how Todd R. Hargrove is someone who gathered the knowledge he has primarily through feedback loops involves movement and is therefore more trustworthy when he says “I you do these movements, that happens” then when he speculates about what the involved neurons are doing.
It’s always good to ask yourself in a field like this where a lot of knowledge doesn’t come out of traditional academia how people know things and whether they are exposed to feedback loops that allow them to know what they are talking about.
My personal experience with messages by people trained in physiotherapy is that they often don’t produce latesting effects, but it depends a lot on the skill level of the person and message is a fairly broad term.
A lot of people who do have skill trained in some particular methology that’s not globally available. What’s globally available is osteopaths who are generally well trained.
I don’t have much experience with trigger-point release myself nor talked about it with someone who understands how things work. If you do observe that it’s a way you can reduce your body tension over periods that are more then a few hours then it’s something in favor of it but it seems very indirect to me.
Are you skeptical of the central nervous system sensitization pain mechanism?
My general prior is to be skeptical of most neuro-based explanations for phenomena outside of neuroscience. Hypothesis might be true, but it’s very hard to check whether they are true. I generally prefer knowledge that’s backed by empirics over knowledge that rests on assumptions about understanding of how a black box works internally.