The thread is closer to this post’s Counter-Examples than its examples.
Richard calls out the protest for making arguments that diverge from the protesters’ actual beliefs about what’s worth protesting, and is highly upvoted for doing so. In the ensuing discussion, Steven changes Holly and Ben’s minds on whether it’s right to use the “not really open-source” accusation against FB (because we think true open-source would be even worse).
Tyler’s comment that [for public persuasion, messages get rounded to “yay X” or “boo X” anyway, so it’s not worth worrying about nuance nuance is less important] deserves a rebuttal, but I note that it’s already got 8 disagrees vs 4 agrees, so I don’t think that viewpoint is dominant.
Sidebar: For what it’s worth, I don’t argue in my comment that “it’s not worth worrying” about nuance. I argue that nuance isn’t more important for public advocacy than, for example, in alignment research or policy negotiations — and that the opposite might be true.
The thread is closer to this post’s Counter-Examples than its examples.
Richard calls out the protest for making arguments that diverge from the protesters’ actual beliefs about what’s worth protesting, and is highly upvoted for doing so. In the ensuing discussion, Steven changes Holly and Ben’s minds on whether it’s right to use the “not really open-source” accusation against FB (because we think true open-source would be even worse).
Tyler’s comment that [for public persuasion, messages get rounded to “yay X” or “boo X” anyway, so
it’s not worth worrying about nuancenuance is less important] deserves a rebuttal, but I note that it’s already got 8 disagrees vs 4 agrees, so I don’t think that viewpoint is dominant.Good points! My mind has been changed.
Sidebar: For what it’s worth, I don’t argue in my comment that “it’s not worth worrying” about nuance. I argue that nuance isn’t more important for public advocacy than, for example, in alignment research or policy negotiations — and that the opposite might be true.
Fair enough, I’ve changed my wording.