Fair enough… so, OK, “I made it to self-organize” isn’t right either.
That said, I’ll point out that that was your own choice of words (“You’ve implemented a neural network [..] and made it to self-organize”).
I mention this, not to criticize your choice of words, but to point out that you have experience with the dynamic that causes people to choose a brief not-quite-right phrase that more-or-less means what we want to express, rather than a paragraph of text that is more precise.
Which is exactly what’s going on when people talk about programming a computer to perform cognitive tasks.
I could have challenged your word choice when you made it (just like you did now, when I echoed it back), but I more or less understood what you meant, and I chose to engage with your approximate meaning instead. Sometimes that’s a helpful move in conversations.
Yes, there is some ambiguity in use of words, I myself noticed it yesterday. I can only say that you understood it correctly and made the right move! OK, I’ll try to be more accurate in using words (sometimes it is not simple, requires time and effort).
I agree completely that it’s not simple and requires time and effort. I am, as I said explicitly, not criticizing your choice of words. I’m criticizing your listening skills.
This whole thread got started because you chose to interpret “programming morality” in a fairly narrow way to mean something unreasonable, and then chose to criticize that unreasonable thing.
I am suggesting that next time around, you can profitably make more of an effort as a listener to meet the speaker halfway and think about what reasonable thing they might have been trying to express, rather than interpret their words narrowly to suggest something unreasonable. Just as you value others doing the same for you.
Fair enough… so, OK, “I made it to self-organize” isn’t right either.
That said, I’ll point out that that was your own choice of words (“You’ve implemented a neural network [..] and made it to self-organize”).
I mention this, not to criticize your choice of words, but to point out that you have experience with the dynamic that causes people to choose a brief not-quite-right phrase that more-or-less means what we want to express, rather than a paragraph of text that is more precise.
Which is exactly what’s going on when people talk about programming a computer to perform cognitive tasks.
I could have challenged your word choice when you made it (just like you did now, when I echoed it back), but I more or less understood what you meant, and I chose to engage with your approximate meaning instead. Sometimes that’s a helpful move in conversations.
Yes, there is some ambiguity in use of words, I myself noticed it yesterday. I can only say that you understood it correctly and made the right move! OK, I’ll try to be more accurate in using words (sometimes it is not simple, requires time and effort).
I agree completely that it’s not simple and requires time and effort.
I am, as I said explicitly, not criticizing your choice of words.
I’m criticizing your listening skills.
This whole thread got started because you chose to interpret “programming morality” in a fairly narrow way to mean something unreasonable, and then chose to criticize that unreasonable thing.
I am suggesting that next time around, you can profitably make more of an effort as a listener to meet the speaker halfway and think about what reasonable thing they might have been trying to express, rather than interpret their words narrowly to suggest something unreasonable.
Just as you value others doing the same for you.