if the reason that you can’t get a chatbot to avoid being rude in public is that you can’t get a chatbot to reliably follow any rules at all, then the rudeness is related to actual safety concerns in that they have a common cause.
This is fallacious reasoning—if my company wants to develop a mass driver to cheaply send material into space, and somebody else wants to turn cities into not-cities-anymore and would be better able to do so if they had a mass driver, I don’t inherently have common cause with that somebody else.
Morality aside, providing material support to one belligerent in a conflict in exchange for support from them is not a free action. Their enemies become your enemies, and your ability to engage in trade and diplomacy with those groups disappears.
You’ve misconstrued or misunderstood what I meant by “common cause” above. I meant the causality sense of that expression and not the political sense. I don’t mean the sense of “having common cause with someone” meaning sharing goals, but rather “two effects having a common cause” meaning A causes both B and C.
“Chatbot can’t be made to follow rules at all” causes both “chatbot does not follow politeness rules” and “chatbot does not follow safety rules”.
What is the practical implication of this difference meant to be? Not trying to nitpick here, if “we have common cause” doesn’t mean “we should work alongside them”, then how is it relevant to this line of inquiry?
This is fallacious reasoning—if my company wants to develop a mass driver to cheaply send material into space, and somebody else wants to turn cities into not-cities-anymore and would be better able to do so if they had a mass driver, I don’t inherently have common cause with that somebody else.
Morality aside, providing material support to one belligerent in a conflict in exchange for support from them is not a free action. Their enemies become your enemies, and your ability to engage in trade and diplomacy with those groups disappears.
You’ve misconstrued or misunderstood what I meant by “common cause” above. I meant the causality sense of that expression and not the political sense. I don’t mean the sense of “having common cause with someone” meaning sharing goals, but rather “two effects having a common cause” meaning A causes both B and C.
“Chatbot can’t be made to follow rules at all” causes both “chatbot does not follow politeness rules” and “chatbot does not follow safety rules”.
What is the practical implication of this difference meant to be? Not trying to nitpick here, if “we have common cause” doesn’t mean “we should work alongside them”, then how is it relevant to this line of inquiry?