Sorry to be edgy, but, there are situations with options to sacrifice more than your life. I bet you have that limit. It’s just higher than your life.
Another point here, is that people are not that unified over time? Like, you can press some button that all subsequent yous would sincerely curse you for. Nooooo, the infinite torture dimension turned out to be a bit much! quote from pretty selfless human.
i agree that i would rather die instantly than live for 100 years of torture. i don’t think that proves as much as you think. i also think it’s fine for some people to make morbid utility calculations like these, and for others to say “i don’t want to think about that and i’m not going to answer”
Well, sure. You are fine with thinking about sacrificing your life and proudly announcing that, but anything more is too much to even talk about? Morbid calculations for me but not for thee
I just think you are wrong on your self model here. Like, I’m doubtful you would be able to like even saw your hand off without anesthesia, and it’s not any years of torture, it’s like 10 minutes of mild torture. A lot of people would bail on this, including me, and you are claiming what, to be unusually willing to sacrifice stuff, up from the prior?
not a lot of people (maybe literally 0) have had sufficient reason to saw off their own hand for altruistic reasons. i’ve donated a kidney, donate blood often, and gave more than the GWWC pledge when my income was high. any falsifiable claims you’d like to check while we’re speculating about my values?
Sorry to be edgy, but, there are situations with options to sacrifice more than your life. I bet you have that limit. It’s just higher than your life.
Another point here, is that people are not that unified over time? Like, you can press some button that all subsequent yous would sincerely curse you for. Nooooo, the infinite torture dimension turned out to be a bit much! quote from pretty selfless human.
i agree that i would rather die instantly than live for 100 years of torture. i don’t think that proves as much as you think. i also think it’s fine for some people to make morbid utility calculations like these, and for others to say “i don’t want to think about that and i’m not going to answer”
Well, sure. You are fine with thinking about sacrificing your life and proudly announcing that, but anything more is too much to even talk about? Morbid calculations for me but not for thee
I just think you are wrong on your self model here. Like, I’m doubtful you would be able to like even saw your hand off without anesthesia, and it’s not any years of torture, it’s like 10 minutes of mild torture. A lot of people would bail on this, including me, and you are claiming what, to be unusually willing to sacrifice stuff, up from the prior?
Be less wrong etc
not a lot of people (maybe literally 0) have had sufficient reason to saw off their own hand for altruistic reasons. i’ve donated a kidney, donate blood often, and gave more than the GWWC pledge when my income was high. any falsifiable claims you’d like to check while we’re speculating about my values?
Wow, okay, you are right. You are way up, yeah.
But I still think there are limits, higher for you.