In some sense, tax is theft. Unless it gets spent on projects that you would rather see done, but can’t do on grassroots coordination. E.g. it would be unfair to tax some people in a different country on the threat of violence, and give them literally no benefit of citizenship.
So then, if the state taxes few productive actors, and distributes to non productive, then it’s even more like robbery? You have stuff, I need stuff to spend on my wants, so gimme on the threat of violence. You don’t particularly have moral upper hand here. That makes it sounds like UBI can go badly.
And I don’t expect the governments would be able to provide protection / rule of law / arbitration of disputes services. There would be better ways to coordinate, and with different desiderata for the assistance in it, I strongly expect.
Like, to tax them you can only reason like “we have power, you don’t, we can take stuff from you for literally no benefit for you, suck it up” but it looks like it’s AIs who would have power, or people who are in direct control of fully automated production stacks. There is no reason to tax them, even in moral-ish frame, as it would be just attempted robbery. Different from how it works now, with public good production.
Unless they are somewhat aligned of course, then taking stuff from them and giving to humans is in their interests and will happen. Makes alignment look more important.
The same thing that makes UBI possible, makes the casual human wipe out too. (zero sum redistribution of your atoms to AIs)
In some sense, tax is theft. Unless it gets spent on projects that you would rather see done, but can’t do on grassroots coordination. E.g. it would be unfair to tax some people in a different country on the threat of violence, and give them literally no benefit of citizenship.
So then, if the state taxes few productive actors, and distributes to non productive, then it’s even more like robbery? You have stuff, I need stuff to spend on my wants, so gimme on the threat of violence. You don’t particularly have moral upper hand here. That makes it sounds like UBI can go badly.
And I don’t expect the governments would be able to provide protection / rule of law / arbitration of disputes services. There would be better ways to coordinate, and with different desiderata for the assistance in it, I strongly expect.
Like, to tax them you can only reason like “we have power, you don’t, we can take stuff from you for literally no benefit for you, suck it up” but it looks like it’s AIs who would have power, or people who are in direct control of fully automated production stacks. There is no reason to tax them, even in moral-ish frame, as it would be just attempted robbery. Different from how it works now, with public good production.
Unless they are somewhat aligned of course, then taking stuff from them and giving to humans is in their interests and will happen. Makes alignment look more important.
The same thing that makes UBI possible, makes the casual human wipe out too. (zero sum redistribution of your atoms to AIs)