This thread makes me thing that my post is basically a hardness result for ELK when you don’t have access to the planner. I agree with you that in settings like the ones you describe, the reporter would have access to the planner, and thus the examples described in this post wouldn’t really apply. But the need to have control of the planner is not stated in the ELK report.
So if this post is correct, solving ELK isn’t enough if you don’t have access to the planner. Which means we either need to ensure that in all case we can train/observe the planner (which depends on when the alignment team is involved, and the exact architectures available), or deal with the regress of question I present.
This thread makes me thing that my post is basically a hardness result for ELK when you don’t have access to the planner. I agree with you that in settings like the ones you describe, the reporter would have access to the planner, and thus the examples described in this post wouldn’t really apply. But the need to have control of the planner is not stated in the ELK report.
So if this post is correct, solving ELK isn’t enough if you don’t have access to the planner. Which means we either need to ensure that in all case we can train/observe the planner (which depends on when the alignment team is involved, and the exact architectures available), or deal with the regress of question I present.
Thanks for making that clearer to me!