How many incidents will an LLM find of a president ignoring a court order?
To my knowledge at least, there hasn’t really been an actual time this has “truly” happened even now. It’s often said that Andrew Jackson did but the situation is complex enough that it’s arguable it shouldn’t count and the famous quote of “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!” seems to be apocryphal.
Now there are lots of ways to essentially get around the court order for a long while without actually violating it like a favorite of modern presidents to go “ok X justification doing thing was ruled unconstitutional, but that doesn’t mean Y is, and if that gets ruled it doesn’t mean Z is” or dragging things out in court exhausting as many appeals and pauses as possible to delay for months/years but I’m not aware of any direct violations at least. Even something like this list I found not only gets the facts wrong about Jackson but openly contradicts itself in the parts about Lincoln and Roosevelt where the executives “victory” is not because they ignored the court, but because Congress acted.
“The Supreme Court ruled the act unconstitutional as the government could not levy a tax on companies merely to have that money paid back to farmers. However, the act was adjusted two years later and continued in its new form.”
Like that’s literally not defying the courts. That’s the previous act being ruled unconstitutional and a new act being made that didn’t contain the specific unconstitutional part in it.
Which is to say that you also need to be careful about what is actually happening. Biden’s quotes about how the supreme court “didn’t stop me” looks like the admin ignored a court order, but they were really just did that workaround in the previous paragraphs of doing Y and Z. The Trump admin right now is talking about their tactics with tariffs if they get ruled against and many make it look like they plan to defy the ruling, but it so far seems to just be the same exact tactic of pivoting to something else and claiming it gives authority.
To my knowledge at least, there hasn’t really been an actual time this has “truly” happened even now. It’s often said that Andrew Jackson did but the situation is complex enough that it’s arguable it shouldn’t count and the famous quote of “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!” seems to be apocryphal.
Now there are lots of ways to essentially get around the court order for a long while without actually violating it like a favorite of modern presidents to go “ok X justification doing thing was ruled unconstitutional, but that doesn’t mean Y is, and if that gets ruled it doesn’t mean Z is” or dragging things out in court exhausting as many appeals and pauses as possible to delay for months/years but I’m not aware of any direct violations at least. Even something like this list I found not only gets the facts wrong about Jackson but openly contradicts itself in the parts about Lincoln and Roosevelt where the executives “victory” is not because they ignored the court, but because Congress acted.
“The Supreme Court ruled the act unconstitutional as the government could not levy a tax on companies merely to have that money paid back to farmers. However, the act was adjusted two years later and continued in its new form.”
Like that’s literally not defying the courts. That’s the previous act being ruled unconstitutional and a new act being made that didn’t contain the specific unconstitutional part in it.
Which is to say that you also need to be careful about what is actually happening. Biden’s quotes about how the supreme court “didn’t stop me” looks like the admin ignored a court order, but they were really just did that workaround in the previous paragraphs of doing Y and Z. The Trump admin right now is talking about their tactics with tariffs if they get ruled against and many make it look like they plan to defy the ruling, but it so far seems to just be the same exact tactic of pivoting to something else and claiming it gives authority.