Blind hatred between human tribes is indeed irrational—fighting wars instead of constructively cooperating for mutual benefit, and so on.
Deliberately aggravating existing anger or hatred towards AI as an “outgroup” could be one strategy.
But what my comment was focusing on was the opposite—that love of the ingroup directly implies protecting that ingroup’s continued existence. That is all the 14 words actually say, and it’s what words like “white pride” fundamentally mean: an ingroup focus.
(This does not imply working towards the nonexistence of all outgroups. “I love my family and want them to live on,” does not mean “I hate all other families and want them all to die.”)
If your goal is to convince humans to want to not die, and if the human genetic space comes with natural built-in ingroups for us to instinctually love and protect, then actively opposing and suppressing these extremely convenient instincts is irrational.
There’s some hypothetical version of white pride that matches this description but getting from literally anywhere in history including now to there would be a heroic process. I mean yeah, there is something charming about Rockwell dialoguing with Malcolm X. But remember that in the picture, they were wearing the uniform of a regime that butchered over 11 million captive civilians and killed probably as many civilians in other places through war. That wasn’t just an aesthetic choice. That reflected, at the most charitable, the conviction that such actions were within the realm of permissible strategies. And even if you’re willing to devil’s advocate that, which sure, why not, we’re in hell, why rule anything out a priori, it with almost equivalent certainty reflected the conviction that such actions were permissible as a response to the conditions of Weimar Germany, which is just not true, and a conviction immediately worthy of violence.
Feeling affinity toward one’s own race is a trait that must be socialized in, however, and I think it’s a counterproductive trait to be inculcating in people; as compared to a situation where people receive no such training in childhood, I think the situation where they have lots would have significantly more ethnic tension, which in turn hampers cooperation on goals like pausing AI.
Blind hatred between human tribes is indeed irrational—fighting wars instead of constructively cooperating for mutual benefit, and so on.
Deliberately aggravating existing anger or hatred towards AI as an “outgroup” could be one strategy.
But what my comment was focusing on was the opposite—that love of the ingroup directly implies protecting that ingroup’s continued existence. That is all the 14 words actually say, and it’s what words like “white pride” fundamentally mean: an ingroup focus. (This does not imply working towards the nonexistence of all outgroups. “I love my family and want them to live on,” does not mean “I hate all other families and want them all to die.”)
If your goal is to convince humans to want to not die, and if the human genetic space comes with natural built-in ingroups for us to instinctually love and protect, then actively opposing and suppressing these extremely convenient instincts is irrational.
There’s some hypothetical version of white pride that matches this description but getting from literally anywhere in history including now to there would be a heroic process. I mean yeah, there is something charming about Rockwell dialoguing with Malcolm X. But remember that in the picture, they were wearing the uniform of a regime that butchered over 11 million captive civilians and killed probably as many civilians in other places through war. That wasn’t just an aesthetic choice. That reflected, at the most charitable, the conviction that such actions were within the realm of permissible strategies. And even if you’re willing to devil’s advocate that, which sure, why not, we’re in hell, why rule anything out a priori, it with almost equivalent certainty reflected the conviction that such actions were permissible as a response to the conditions of Weimar Germany, which is just not true, and a conviction immediately worthy of violence.
Feeling affinity toward one’s own race is a trait that must be socialized in, however, and I think it’s a counterproductive trait to be inculcating in people; as compared to a situation where people receive no such training in childhood, I think the situation where they have lots would have significantly more ethnic tension, which in turn hampers cooperation on goals like pausing AI.