Would I be unreasonable or unrealistic if I expressed a desire to not see this any of this SIAI inside baseball on Less Wrong… ever? Insofar as these rationality minicamps are something we think people who want to be more rational should take part it, obviously data on their effectiveness is very important. But insofar as the ‘success’ of the minicamp figured into SIAI’s decision to hire lukeprog (and that seems to be the issue for the moment) I could care less. I realize of course Less Wrong and SIAI are intimately connected and I’m personally at the low end on a spectrum of interest and involvement in SIAI. And I’m fine with seeing the occasional fund-raising post or strategy discussions in Discussion… after all I’m not paying for the pleasure of posting and reading here. But an ongoing flame war about a random criteria in an SIAI hiring dominates the recent comments section and is of no interest to me (and one assumes, others in my position). In the interest of keeping SIAI and Less Wrong somewhat separate shouldn’t SIAI have some other avenue donors can use to voice concerns and criticisms so that it doesn’t interfere with the interesting content here?
(And if Silas isn’t a donor… Thomas %&$@! Bayes why does anyone care?!)
Would I be unreasonable or unrealistic if I expressed a desire to not see this any of this SIAI inside baseball on Less Wrong… ever?
I don’t care for flame wars either. But what I do care about is that if it is permitted to make a declaration of fact on lesswrong it is permitted to to refute it. The details of what you suggest in the parent violate this. You advocating the lesswrong equivalent of true evil!
I just don’t feel like I have the standing to demand that SIAI fund-raising letters be left off the main page entirely- so I was looking for a compromise.
Downvotes imply net disapproval, particularly for someone whose comments get read as much as Eliezer’s. If you think of it as simply losing points, it seems trivial, but if you take it as a sign that “people seem not to like it when I do that,” it’s a meaningful consideration.
Would I be unreasonable or unrealistic if I expressed a desire to not see this any of this SIAI inside baseball on Less Wrong… ever? Insofar as these rationality minicamps are something we think people who want to be more rational should take part it, obviously data on their effectiveness is very important. But insofar as the ‘success’ of the minicamp figured into SIAI’s decision to hire lukeprog (and that seems to be the issue for the moment) I could care less. I realize of course Less Wrong and SIAI are intimately connected and I’m personally at the low end on a spectrum of interest and involvement in SIAI. And I’m fine with seeing the occasional fund-raising post or strategy discussions in Discussion… after all I’m not paying for the pleasure of posting and reading here. But an ongoing flame war about a random criteria in an SIAI hiring dominates the recent comments section and is of no interest to me (and one assumes, others in my position). In the interest of keeping SIAI and Less Wrong somewhat separate shouldn’t SIAI have some other avenue donors can use to voice concerns and criticisms so that it doesn’t interfere with the interesting content here?
(And if Silas isn’t a donor… Thomas %&$@! Bayes why does anyone care?!)
For the record, Silas is a donor—listed on our donor list as having donated $2,000.
I don’t care for flame wars either. But what I do care about is that if it is permitted to make a declaration of fact on lesswrong it is permitted to to refute it. The details of what you suggest in the parent violate this. You advocating the lesswrong equivalent of true evil!
I’m sorry! I repent!
I just don’t feel like I have the standing to demand that SIAI fund-raising letters be left off the main page entirely- so I was looking for a compromise.
I don’t, but if I don’t say that out loud, other people go on loudly caring, and if I do say it out loud, I get downvoted. (Shrug.)
Errr, do you really care that much about being downvoted?
Downvotes imply net disapproval, particularly for someone whose comments get read as much as Eliezer’s. If you think of it as simply losing points, it seems trivial, but if you take it as a sign that “people seem not to like it when I do that,” it’s a meaningful consideration.
Even Eliezer needs Karma, if you ignore the sequences Alicorn and Yvain can beat him out ;)