You can read the testimonies, and with an overall understanding of reward systems, death spirals, default mode network, self, identity, working memory come to a reasonable conclusion that it is at least worth trying.
Part of the problem is that I read them and came to diametrically opposite conclusions: people who clicked are more close-minded and less intelligent than before.
Let’s say you do this exercise MrMind, honestly, with rigorous emotional intelligence of yourself.
I would have a lot of trouble to do so. First line in the first step: “connect a positive emotion to logic”. Ha, which logic? Classical logic, intuitionistic logic, paraconsistent? Finitary or infinitary? Or “logic” here stands for “Bayesian reasoning”? But if so, what about the priors? What about our limited ability to reason correctly? And so on and so on. Really, when you talk about logic you don’t really know the first thing about it.
That is the fallacy of education, when an exercise is targeted to common folk as their emotional connection to a concept is used, it works really well. However, someone with different definitions of concepts they cannot rationally understand it. Logic is defined very specifically as “Logic is the consistent patterns that bring about our reality. Anytime we refer to reality, the organism, consistency or life, we are referring to logic, since logic is the patterns that govern everything.” hence, that is which you connect a positive emotion to. So it isn’t a fallacy. “making sense” was used previously but didn’t work as well.
Now, directly as you thought of logic you started thinking about what logic means here. It is not meant to be a thinking exercise, emotions are not spoken by words, only after as a tool to communicate them. Either in the mind or verbally. So it is meant to be a visualization exercise or any other means which emotionally connect. Talking/thinking, not so much, more primitive. If you accept this definition for logic for the sake of the exercise it will work. But I don’t know how you will emotionally connect to that, it’s up to you.
Part of the problem is that I read them and came to diametrically opposite conclusions: people who clicked are more close-minded and less intelligent than before.
Because you skipped the definition of logic as stated in the exercise as remarked by your confusion.
Don’t worry too much about Step 1, I think you already love logic as it is defined. Step 2 will probably be more difficult then Step 3.
Although those were for the old steps. After completing step 2 (and figuring out your emotions) you simply realize in step 3 how you can emotionally be in equilibrium with the consistent patterns that govern everything and how it did channel it through other means.
Logic is defined very specifically as “Logic is the consistent patterns that bring about our reality. Anytime we refer to reality, the organism, consistency or life, we are referring to logic, since logic is the patterns that govern everything.
This is not in fact what “logic” means.
(Of course you can define any word you please to have any meaning you please. But if your definition diverges too badly from others’ the most likely effect will be confusion. Or, in some cases, deliberate deception.)
Okay, so the education fallacy is hereby declared as yours definition is the one truly, from your education and when defined differently is is not, in the context of the setting where it is used. Therefore, when talking of a computer to buy, when I state my wish is to buy an apple computer, the farmer says, how is an apple a computer? Doesn’t change his definition for the context of computers.
Your educational fallacy and semantics discussion is highly irrelevant, if the first thing in step one is said definition, confusion-or-deliberate-deception hypothesis is not falling very far from the tree.
Still, use whichever word you want. I suggest you can either copy-paste the website and alter the word logic* with a word that doesn’t conflict with your engrained neural pathways, it can be completely new, or you can simply use the definition of the banned word, which there is only one definition.
It sounds to me as you’re using this as an excuse to not try said exercise. Imagine you have two brains. One speaks to the other but the other does not speak back. The one brain is you, that is your emotional core. Whatever it strives to do, it gets. It channels and uses logic and rationality as a tool rather then the end, a tool to fulfill its desires. No matter what you do, you will be a slave to your emotions while you still use logic as a tool rather then the end. That’s the theory and I invite you to leave aside your preconditioned beliefs from your schooling and social conditioning and be open-minded for the sake of this exercise and your critical thinking.
What on earth are you talking about? I am making no claims about my education. I am saying that the definition you’re trying to give to “logic” is one that bears rather little resemblance to how anyone outside your “Logic Nation” group uses it, and that this is (at best) going to lead to confusion when you try to talk to others.
engrained neural pathways [...] as an excuse to not try said exercise [...] preconditioned beliefs [...] social conditioning [...] open-minded
Oh for goodness’ sake, grow up. I don’t need excuses. For any given exercise, the default is not to try it. I have yet to see anything that even slightly suggests that trying what you suggest is a good idea. And calling people who don’t join your cult closed-minded is the oldest trick in the book and I decline to fall for it.
What on earth are you talking about? I am making no claims about my education. I am saying that the definition you’re trying to give to “logic” is one that bears rather little resemblance to how anyone outside your “Logic Nation” group uses it, and that this is (at best) going to lead to confusion when you try to talk to others.
Sure, the same way as an apple farmer might be confused of an apple product. This is pure semantics. If a word is redefined and stated as such, that is how the word is used within that context, otherwise language do not function. It did cause confusion, that’s why I clarified what the definition was within this context. You should no longer be confused. If you’re arguing that others (generalization), go to the street and ask any random number of people. This is an educational fallacy.
Oh for goodness’ sake, grow up. I don’t need excuses. For any given exercise, the default is not to try it. I have yet to see anything that even slightly suggests that trying what you suggest is a good idea. And calling people who don’t join your cult closed-minded is the oldest trick in the book and I decline to fall for it.
Well, I’ve told you about how many religious people there are, a little about brain stuff, and some theories on how emotions drives our actions. I’m not saying you’re closed-minded, all I am asking for you to be open-minded to the idea, considering all of that you can learn of the brain which is reasonably objective, and whether submitting to the consistent patterns emotionally is that big of a deal or if it can really improve your life and those around you.
What do you mean join my cult? This is not a cult.
Part of the problem is that I read them and came to diametrically opposite conclusions: people who clicked are more close-minded and less intelligent than before.
I would have a lot of trouble to do so. First line in the first step: “connect a positive emotion to logic”. Ha, which logic? Classical logic, intuitionistic logic, paraconsistent? Finitary or infinitary? Or “logic” here stands for “Bayesian reasoning”? But if so, what about the priors? What about our limited ability to reason correctly? And so on and so on.
Really, when you talk about logic you don’t really know the first thing about it.
That is the fallacy of education, when an exercise is targeted to common folk as their emotional connection to a concept is used, it works really well. However, someone with different definitions of concepts they cannot rationally understand it. Logic is defined very specifically as “Logic is the consistent patterns that bring about our reality. Anytime we refer to reality, the organism, consistency or life, we are referring to logic, since logic is the patterns that govern everything.” hence, that is which you connect a positive emotion to. So it isn’t a fallacy. “making sense” was used previously but didn’t work as well.
Now, directly as you thought of logic you started thinking about what logic means here. It is not meant to be a thinking exercise, emotions are not spoken by words, only after as a tool to communicate them. Either in the mind or verbally. So it is meant to be a visualization exercise or any other means which emotionally connect. Talking/thinking, not so much, more primitive. If you accept this definition for logic for the sake of the exercise it will work. But I don’t know how you will emotionally connect to that, it’s up to you.
Because you skipped the definition of logic as stated in the exercise as remarked by your confusion.
Don’t worry too much about Step 1, I think you already love logic as it is defined. Step 2 will probably be more difficult then Step 3.
Here’s the guided meditation for Step 2: https://soundcloud.com/athenepodcast/guided-meditation-step-2 and Step 3:https://soundcloud.com/athenepodcast/guided-meditation-step-3
Although those were for the old steps. After completing step 2 (and figuring out your emotions) you simply realize in step 3 how you can emotionally be in equilibrium with the consistent patterns that govern everything and how it did channel it through other means.
This is not in fact what “logic” means.
(Of course you can define any word you please to have any meaning you please. But if your definition diverges too badly from others’ the most likely effect will be confusion. Or, in some cases, deliberate deception.)
Okay, so the education fallacy is hereby declared as yours definition is the one truly, from your education and when defined differently is is not, in the context of the setting where it is used. Therefore, when talking of a computer to buy, when I state my wish is to buy an apple computer, the farmer says, how is an apple a computer? Doesn’t change his definition for the context of computers.
Your educational fallacy and semantics discussion is highly irrelevant, if the first thing in step one is said definition, confusion-or-deliberate-deception hypothesis is not falling very far from the tree.
Still, use whichever word you want. I suggest you can either copy-paste the website and alter the word logic* with a word that doesn’t conflict with your engrained neural pathways, it can be completely new, or you can simply use the definition of the banned word, which there is only one definition.
It sounds to me as you’re using this as an excuse to not try said exercise. Imagine you have two brains. One speaks to the other but the other does not speak back. The one brain is you, that is your emotional core. Whatever it strives to do, it gets. It channels and uses logic and rationality as a tool rather then the end, a tool to fulfill its desires. No matter what you do, you will be a slave to your emotions while you still use logic as a tool rather then the end. That’s the theory and I invite you to leave aside your preconditioned beliefs from your schooling and social conditioning and be open-minded for the sake of this exercise and your critical thinking.
What on earth are you talking about? I am making no claims about my education. I am saying that the definition you’re trying to give to “logic” is one that bears rather little resemblance to how anyone outside your “Logic Nation” group uses it, and that this is (at best) going to lead to confusion when you try to talk to others.
Oh for goodness’ sake, grow up. I don’t need excuses. For any given exercise, the default is not to try it. I have yet to see anything that even slightly suggests that trying what you suggest is a good idea. And calling people who don’t join your cult closed-minded is the oldest trick in the book and I decline to fall for it.
Sure, the same way as an apple farmer might be confused of an apple product. This is pure semantics. If a word is redefined and stated as such, that is how the word is used within that context, otherwise language do not function. It did cause confusion, that’s why I clarified what the definition was within this context. You should no longer be confused. If you’re arguing that others (generalization), go to the street and ask any random number of people. This is an educational fallacy.
Well, I’ve told you about how many religious people there are, a little about brain stuff, and some theories on how emotions drives our actions. I’m not saying you’re closed-minded, all I am asking for you to be open-minded to the idea, considering all of that you can learn of the brain which is reasonably objective, and whether submitting to the consistent patterns emotionally is that big of a deal or if it can really improve your life and those around you.
What do you mean join my cult? This is not a cult.