Its not just PUA stuff, this is far more general: if a guy lifts, that makes him a ‘dickhead’ according to members of my peer group, while a woman not shaving her armpits makes her strong & empowered
If I was young again, I would probably try to hang with either multiple different peer groups or none at (I was terrible at it anyway). But these guys sound like a very bad influence for anyone trying to improve dating skills. I also find it really surprising how they are using media language. “Strong and empowered” is a magazine headline. It is media-talk, almost like advertisement-talk, only one step less artificial than politician-talk. 20 years ago in my peer group anything that sounded like a magazine headline was repeated only ironically / cynically. Or even 10 years ago. Anyone remembers “the coalition of the willing?” Yeah, no normal person ever repeated that without a sneer. And now I see young people talk like popular magazine headlines. Weird. Where is the bravely contrarian counter-signalling? :)
Hypothesis: the lack of cynicism in today’s young is due to much of their social life being done on Facebook and other social media, and in this type of medium it is a common, easy and obvious thing to do to share articles.
I don’t think in 1990 anyone brought me a printed paper mag and asked me to read this article. A handful of times, when it was something truly revolutionary and special, but anything even remotely mainstream not. We did not share our media consumption much. I may have been reading the same heavy metal mag as others, but we rarely discusessed it beyond “Seen that interview with Megadeth?” “Yeah, badass.”
It is through article sharing and shared, communal media consumption how the Facebook generation lost its cynicism against official media headline ideas.
Are younger people less cynical? I honestly don’t know, and I’m curious about your evidence.
My impression is that used to be a lot less debunking around, not that all of the debunking is accurate, either. Who’s reading all those “7 Things You’re Entirely Wrong About” articles from Cracked?
My impression is that used to be a lot less debunking around, not that all of the debunking is accurate, either. Who’s reading all those “7 Things You’re Entirely Wrong About” articles from Cracked?
I understand I am dangerously close to a fully general argument now :) But I think there is a lot of debunking going on because the default stance seems to be to believe the mainstream media, and I think 20 years ago the default stance was to be skeptical about it.
How to put it… I would be really surprised if a friend of mine offered a debunking of the abs trainer sold in TV shop because we are not supposed to believe it at all, that is not the default stance… “everybody” understands it is mainly about scamming suckers. And roughly the same about the media in general.
If I was young again, I would probably try to hang with either multiple different peer groups or none at (I was terrible at it anyway). But these guys sound like a very bad influence for anyone trying to improve dating skills. I also find it really surprising how they are using media language. “Strong and empowered” is a magazine headline. It is media-talk, almost like advertisement-talk, only one step less artificial than politician-talk. 20 years ago in my peer group anything that sounded like a magazine headline was repeated only ironically / cynically. Or even 10 years ago. Anyone remembers “the coalition of the willing?” Yeah, no normal person ever repeated that without a sneer. And now I see young people talk like popular magazine headlines. Weird. Where is the bravely contrarian counter-signalling? :)
I’m not sure anyone actually verbally said “Strong and empowered”, this would have been in a clickbait article someone shared on facebook.
… and then I became enlightened.
Hypothesis: the lack of cynicism in today’s young is due to much of their social life being done on Facebook and other social media, and in this type of medium it is a common, easy and obvious thing to do to share articles.
I don’t think in 1990 anyone brought me a printed paper mag and asked me to read this article. A handful of times, when it was something truly revolutionary and special, but anything even remotely mainstream not. We did not share our media consumption much. I may have been reading the same heavy metal mag as others, but we rarely discusessed it beyond “Seen that interview with Megadeth?” “Yeah, badass.”
It is through article sharing and shared, communal media consumption how the Facebook generation lost its cynicism against official media headline ideas.
Are younger people less cynical? I honestly don’t know, and I’m curious about your evidence.
My impression is that used to be a lot less debunking around, not that all of the debunking is accurate, either. Who’s reading all those “7 Things You’re Entirely Wrong About” articles from Cracked?
I understand I am dangerously close to a fully general argument now :) But I think there is a lot of debunking going on because the default stance seems to be to believe the mainstream media, and I think 20 years ago the default stance was to be skeptical about it.
How to put it… I would be really surprised if a friend of mine offered a debunking of the abs trainer sold in TV shop because we are not supposed to believe it at all, that is not the default stance… “everybody” understands it is mainly about scamming suckers. And roughly the same about the media in general.