Our think that our pedantries are clashing on the word “is”.
I’m thinking of both frequencies and probabilities as numbers, and using “is” between them if they are equal numbers. You are (I guess) thinking of frequencies and probabilities are things of different types, which are not numbers even though they may be measured by numbers.
Come to think of it, your interpretation is more pedantic than mine, so I concede.
Thinking about it further, there is no probability which is even numerically equal to the frequency. Probabilities are subjective, you know them or can work them out in your head. But you don’t know the frequency, so it can’t be equal to any of the probabilities in your head (except by coincidence).
I think that it’s a mistake to reserve the term ‘probability’ for beliefs held by actual people (or other beings with beliefs). In fact, since actual people are subject to such pervasive epistemic biases (such as we try to overcome here), I doubt that anybody (even readers of Less Wrong) holds actual beliefs that obey the mathematical laws of probability.
I prefer to think of probabiliy as the belief of an ideal rational being with given information / evidence / observations. (This makes me what they call an ‘objective Bayesian’, although really it just pushes the subjectivity back to the level of information.) So even if nobody knows the frequency with which a given coin comes up heads (which is certainly true if the coin is still around and may be flipped in the future), I can imagine a rational being who knows that frequency.
But in a post that was supposed to be pedantic, I was remiss in not specifying exactly what information the probability depends on!
Our think that our pedantries are clashing on the word “is”.
I’m thinking of both frequencies and probabilities as numbers, and using “is” between them if they are equal numbers. You are (I guess) thinking of frequencies and probabilities are things of different types, which are not numbers even though they may be measured by numbers.
Come to think of it, your interpretation is more pedantic than mine, so I concede.
Thinking about it further, there is no probability which is even numerically equal to the frequency. Probabilities are subjective, you know them or can work them out in your head. But you don’t know the frequency, so it can’t be equal to any of the probabilities in your head (except by coincidence).
I think that it’s a mistake to reserve the term ‘probability’ for beliefs held by actual people (or other beings with beliefs). In fact, since actual people are subject to such pervasive epistemic biases (such as we try to overcome here), I doubt that anybody (even readers of Less Wrong) holds actual beliefs that obey the mathematical laws of probability.
I prefer to think of probabiliy as the belief of an ideal rational being with given information / evidence / observations. (This makes me what they call an ‘objective Bayesian’, although really it just pushes the subjectivity back to the level of information.) So even if nobody knows the frequency with which a given coin comes up heads (which is certainly true if the coin is still around and may be flipped in the future), I can imagine a rational being who knows that frequency.
But in a post that was supposed to be pedantic, I was remiss in not specifying exactly what information the probability depends on!