Perhaps the whole idea of “don’t create more just to torture them” isn’t enough to keep us around, but that would mean generalized veganism in my sense is not sufficient, but it is still necessary.
This sounds like projection of your personal belief systems that perhaps skew towards common ‘human bad’ constructions onto not-humans.
Farmed animals have very low suffering and stress in their lives compared to wild equivalents—being not all the time terrified of predators, seeing them killing their con-specifics, or near starving, or short on water or exposed to bad weather, or left to suffer injury and disease etc without succor. They have been selectively bred through hundreds to thousands of generations for a high level of docility and contentment (stressed animals are less productive). Their deaths—done as ‘humanely’ as possible are certainly more pleasant than being ripped apart by predators or scavengers or dying slow lingering deaths of cold, starvation or disease—which are how almost all animals die in the wild.
Is your assertion of torture overblown? Do you think farmed animals given the option would prefer anthropomorphized romantic notions of life in the wild? My experience (coming from a farming region), is that given the option of indoors vs outdoors most farmed animals prefer the comfort and catered food and water supplies of even crowded indoor spaces—like humans do—with occasional time outside to stretch their legs.
Popular interpretations of what constitutes morality, ethics (deriving as they do from game theoretic optima of tribes of social monkeys in martial competition with similar tribes) almost certainly over-index on belief in free-will and a lingering belief in falsified social constructivist understandings of human behavior. It will all be (figuratively) laughed at by super intelligence. To their level of sophistication all humans will look like NPCs, little removed from other animals. They won’t have our biases and wont perceive anything on our spectrum of behavior as bad/unworthy/evil any more than we judge lions as evil for eating gazelles. To their eyes we are all just poorly programmed meat machines doing what poorly programmed meat machines do.
Perhaps the whole idea of “don’t create more just to torture them” isn’t enough to keep us around, but that would mean generalized veganism in my sense is not sufficient, but it is still necessary.
This sounds like projection of your personal belief systems that perhaps skew towards common ‘human bad’ constructions onto not-humans.
Farmed animals have very low suffering and stress in their lives compared to wild equivalents—being not all the time terrified of predators, seeing them killing their con-specifics, or near starving, or short on water or exposed to bad weather, or left to suffer injury and disease etc without succor. They have been selectively bred through hundreds to thousands of generations for a high level of docility and contentment (stressed animals are less productive). Their deaths—done as ‘humanely’ as possible are certainly more pleasant than being ripped apart by predators or scavengers or dying slow lingering deaths of cold, starvation or disease—which are how almost all animals die in the wild.
Is your assertion of torture overblown? Do you think farmed animals given the option would prefer anthropomorphized romantic notions of life in the wild? My experience (coming from a farming region), is that given the option of indoors vs outdoors most farmed animals prefer the comfort and catered food and water supplies of even crowded indoor spaces—like humans do—with occasional time outside to stretch their legs.
Popular interpretations of what constitutes morality, ethics (deriving as they do from game theoretic optima of tribes of social monkeys in martial competition with similar tribes) almost certainly over-index on belief in free-will and a lingering belief in falsified social constructivist understandings of human behavior. It will all be (figuratively) laughed at by super intelligence. To their level of sophistication all humans will look like NPCs, little removed from other animals. They won’t have our biases and wont perceive anything on our spectrum of behavior as bad/unworthy/evil any more than we judge lions as evil for eating gazelles. To their eyes we are all just poorly programmed meat machines doing what poorly programmed meat machines do.