Either you are contradicting yourself, or you are saying that the specific phrasing “who would otherwise die” makes it mutually exclusive when it wouldn’t otherwise.
I think this conversation is taking an adversarial tone. I’m just trying to explain our work and address your concerns. I don’t think you were saying naive things; just that you misunderstood parts of the paper and some of your concerns were unwarranted. That’s usually the fault of the authors for not explaining things clearly, so I do really appreciate your interest in the paper and willingness to discuss.
@nostalgebraist@Mantas Mazeika “I think this conversation is taking an adversarial tone.” If this is how the conversation is going this might be the case to end it and work on a, well, adversarial collaboration outside the forum.
“You said it’s mutually exclusive here and you said the opposite there” is adversarial in the sense that pointing out any sort of error or inconsistency is adversarial. In other words, it is literally adversarial, but it’s a good kind of adversarial. You can’t point out an inconsistency without being adversarial!
Nostalgebraist was also discernibly frustrated, which I think is a better explanation for the perception of adversarial tone; judging by his comment he’s quite right to be, but it’s nonetheless the case that this information is visible from his tone, and I think it’s this fact that creates the adversarial feel.
I think this conversation is taking an adversarial tone. I’m just trying to explain our work and address your concerns. I don’t think you were saying naive things; just that you misunderstood parts of the paper and some of your concerns were unwarranted. That’s usually the fault of the authors for not explaining things clearly, so I do really appreciate your interest in the paper and willingness to discuss.
@nostalgebraist @Mantas Mazeika “I think this conversation is taking an adversarial tone.” If this is how the conversation is going this might be the case to end it and work on a, well, adversarial collaboration outside the forum.
“You said it’s mutually exclusive here and you said the opposite there” is adversarial in the sense that pointing out any sort of error or inconsistency is adversarial. In other words, it is literally adversarial, but it’s a good kind of adversarial. You can’t point out an inconsistency without being adversarial!
Nostalgebraist was also discernibly frustrated, which I think is a better explanation for the perception of adversarial tone; judging by his comment he’s quite right to be, but it’s nonetheless the case that this information is visible from his tone, and I think it’s this fact that creates the adversarial feel.