we decide we have an incurable disease called “akrasia” instead of doing that which is known to fix akrasia.
I find this to be one of the most annoying of your recurrent comments. I suspect it is the same thing that annoys EY when someone suggests to him “doing that which is known to fix” weight issues (i.e. diet and exercise). Or when someone tells a clinically depressed person to just stop being depressed, because “it’s all in your head”.
As a rationalist, you would not deny that real people do have a real problem with procrastination. Given that these people are not stupid, and do not actually enjoy procrastinating, you better admit that there is no simple solution to it, otherwise nearly everyone on LW would have been cured by now.
So, how about publicly admitting that your statement that akrasia can be easily fixed is not a rational one?
I think it’s a chicken and egg problem.
What luke writes on that page really does work, the page suggests building a set of skills and behaviors. But how does one overcome the akrasia about actually doing what the page suggests? I don’t think we have an answer for that.
I’d like to note that the article (and the book, which I read), while great, doesn’t so much use science to demonstrate ways to fix akrasia; it uses science to describe a very accurate model of akrasia. It then uses many reasonable, common-sense suggestions on how to strangle the variables of the procrastination equation into the motivation you want.
What we need are studies showing deep, long-term fixes. Some people don’t follow the procrastination equation; they are simply motivated to do what they want to do, all the time. We need to figure out how to get everybody there.
If I’m wrong about this, and many of the studies out there do show repeated success with some methods, let me know.
I find this to be one of the most annoying of your recurrent comments. I suspect it is the same thing that annoys EY when someone suggests to him “doing that which is known to fix” weight issues (i.e. diet and exercise). Or when someone tells a clinically depressed person to just stop being depressed, because “it’s all in your head”.
As a rationalist, you would not deny that real people do have a real problem with procrastination. Given that these people are not stupid, and do not actually enjoy procrastinating, you better admit that there is no simple solution to it, otherwise nearly everyone on LW would have been cured by now.
So, how about publicly admitting that your statement that akrasia can be easily fixed is not a rational one?
I think it’s a chicken and egg problem. What luke writes on that page really does work, the page suggests building a set of skills and behaviors. But how does one overcome the akrasia about actually doing what the page suggests? I don’t think we have an answer for that.
Did not claim this.
Sorry, you are right, not “easily”, just “known to fix”.
I’m glad someone else feels this way.
I’d like to note that the article (and the book, which I read), while great, doesn’t so much use science to demonstrate ways to fix akrasia; it uses science to describe a very accurate model of akrasia. It then uses many reasonable, common-sense suggestions on how to strangle the variables of the procrastination equation into the motivation you want.
What we need are studies showing deep, long-term fixes. Some people don’t follow the procrastination equation; they are simply motivated to do what they want to do, all the time. We need to figure out how to get everybody there.
If I’m wrong about this, and many of the studies out there do show repeated success with some methods, let me know.