a) it’s a relatively new memeplex, so if it’s bad, someone has to do the work of swatting it down,
Really? Because most ideas are bad, and that by default includes most new ideas, so I don’t see why a new “memeplex” shouldn’t justify itself rather than having a right to be taken seriously.
I’d prefer the association be “Lesswrong is a place where neoreactionary ideas are discussed and sometimes criticized” than “Lesswrong is that place that sounds very similar to Neoreaction minus the explicit politics”.
Out in the world, LessWrong is more closely associated with Peter Thiel’s brand of libertarianism, and gets all the flak and critiquing usually given to techno-libertarianism.
Because most ideas are bad, and that by default includes most new ideas, so I don’t see why a new “memeplex” shouldn’t justify itself rather than having a right to be taken seriously.
That horse has already left. Neoreaction is a thing now.
Among a self-selected group of nerds on the internet, yes. Whenever it gets noticed by larger society, said society reacts (ahaha) with revulsion. This is both as it should be, and as the neoreactionaries predict, but the point is that I don’t think it’s going to grow beyond the usual demographics of nerd-focused extremist movements.
Several examples come to mind. Nazis were only able to gain power when the middle class came to support them in opposition (i.e., reaction) to the leftist working class. This is common wherever authoritarianism, or at least fascism, comes to power.
If you look at US militia groups, they tend to be middle class. It makes sense, since someone has to have enough wealth to heavily arm themselves and organize such a group. It’s not only having the means and capacity but also the motivation.
Extremist movements, specifically on the right-wing, tend to be driven by anxiety, often class status, if mixed with ethnonationalism and supremacy. That is why it’s specifically the lower middle class, during economic hard times, who are most prone as they’re the upper edge of the precariat.
When people are stressed, research shows that they tend to become more conservative, authoritarian, conformist, collectivist, fundamentalist, xenophobic, punitive, etc. It’s measured with lower on the dual personality trait of ‘openness to experience’ and ‘intellect’.
Multiple scholars and journalists—Arlie Russell Hochschild, Michael Kimmel, Timothy Carney, etc—have noted that the strongest MAGA support is among the middle class in areas of high inequality. Related to that, January 6th insurrectionists were mostly middle class professionals.
These people tend to be no only above average in wealth but also in education, but they’re typically just barely above average. So, in most cases, they don’t represent the intellectual elite. What they do have, though, is experience in tech fields, management, small business ownership, etc.
Many of them, by the way, spent their early life working class or even poor. That is what causes them such overpowering anxiety about falling back down again. This is true even for some elites like Steve Bannon who grew up working class and never was accepted in elite society.
Donald Trump had a similar problem. His family wasn’t only new wealth but specifically gained their wealth from disreputable real estate and construction that, in NYC, is linked to organized crime. When he was younger, Trump wasn’t allowed membership in some elite clubs.
Really? Because most ideas are bad, and that by default includes most new ideas, so I don’t see why a new “memeplex” shouldn’t justify itself rather than having a right to be taken seriously.
Out in the world, LessWrong is more closely associated with Peter Thiel’s brand of libertarianism, and gets all the flak and critiquing usually given to techno-libertarianism.
That horse has already left. Neoreaction is a thing now.
Among a self-selected group of nerds on the internet, yes. Whenever it gets noticed by larger society, said society reacts (ahaha) with revulsion. This is both as it should be, and as the neoreactionaries predict, but the point is that I don’t think it’s going to grow beyond the usual demographics of nerd-focused extremist movements.
Are “nerd-focused extremist movements” a thing? I can’t think of any other examples.
They’re a topic of much past discussion on LW, in fact.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/18b/reason_as_memetic_immune_disorder/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/cxg/link_nerds_are_nuts/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/kat/the_benefits_of_closedmindedness/
http://squid314.livejournal.com/350090.html
As a matter of fact, extremist movements often seem to target or arise-from the educated sections of the middle-class...
So… ‘nerd’ means ‘educated middle class’?
And by this definition, haven’t some movements grown beyond this demographic?
Several examples come to mind. Nazis were only able to gain power when the middle class came to support them in opposition (i.e., reaction) to the leftist working class. This is common wherever authoritarianism, or at least fascism, comes to power.
If you look at US militia groups, they tend to be middle class. It makes sense, since someone has to have enough wealth to heavily arm themselves and organize such a group. It’s not only having the means and capacity but also the motivation.
Extremist movements, specifically on the right-wing, tend to be driven by anxiety, often class status, if mixed with ethnonationalism and supremacy. That is why it’s specifically the lower middle class, during economic hard times, who are most prone as they’re the upper edge of the precariat.
When people are stressed, research shows that they tend to become more conservative, authoritarian, conformist, collectivist, fundamentalist, xenophobic, punitive, etc. It’s measured with lower on the dual personality trait of ‘openness to experience’ and ‘intellect’.
Multiple scholars and journalists—Arlie Russell Hochschild, Michael Kimmel, Timothy Carney, etc—have noted that the strongest MAGA support is among the middle class in areas of high inequality. Related to that, January 6th insurrectionists were mostly middle class professionals.
These people tend to be no only above average in wealth but also in education, but they’re typically just barely above average. So, in most cases, they don’t represent the intellectual elite. What they do have, though, is experience in tech fields, management, small business ownership, etc.
Many of them, by the way, spent their early life working class or even poor. That is what causes them such overpowering anxiety about falling back down again. This is true even for some elites like Steve Bannon who grew up working class and never was accepted in elite society.
Donald Trump had a similar problem. His family wasn’t only new wealth but specifically gained their wealth from disreputable real estate and construction that, in NYC, is linked to organized crime. When he was younger, Trump wasn’t allowed membership in some elite clubs.