you said you spoiled it, but I notice no actual description of NBT
What he actually said was
if you have been reading LW for a while and have been passionate about improving your rationality, yet you failed to notice so far how good an opportunity MoR is … I just spoiled it for you
Ergo, spotting that MoR is awesome was a test, and we flunked it. Because apparently we failed to notice that MoR is awesome.
What he’s claiming isn’t that the rest of us failed to notice that MoR is awesome, but that the rest of us failed to notice that MoR is awesome as a series of puzzle-solving rationality exercises.
did you intend to skip actually telling us what NBT is?
Of course. The hard part about noticing your confusion isn’t recognizing it, when it is pointed out. It’s, you know, the noticing part. I tell you, I get a few points of karma for it, maybe, and everyone looses the opportunity to do it for themselves. Now, that’s negative sum!
I think one thing that keeps people from asking questions is the flinching from the uncertainty that may never get resolved. But that’s clearly not the case with MoR (unless Eliezer is evil, and his puzzles will never be resolved in-story). These are well stuctured puzzles leading us along (hell I’m identifying puzzle arcs), and we just have to make some effort.
I guess my sense of justice doesn’t like how something deep gets complains about surface stuff, when that surface can in fact be justified by the deeper stuff. Stupid sense of justice.
did you intend to skip actually telling us what NBT is?
Of course. The hard part about noticing your confusion isn’t recognizing it, when it is pointed out. It’s, you know, the noticing part. I tell you, I get a few points of karma for it, maybe, and everyone looses the opportunity to do it for themselves. Now, that’s negative sum!
No, it just looks annoying. If you really wanted to prod thought, you’d offer the proverbial ‘hostage to fortune’ in the form of a hash precommitment to your NBT theory so you have verifiably expressed a particular theory well in advance of MoR ending and have exposed yourself to public ridicule in the event your theory is laughably wrong or you had none at all; knowing that you now have something at stake, people might take you more seriously.
Um… You kept talking about how you kept finding confirmation, but… did you intend to skip actually telling us what NBT is?
(ie, you said you spoiled it, but I notice no actual description of NBT or which specific bits of evidence you used.)
What he actually said was
Ergo, spotting that MoR is awesome was a test, and we flunked it. Because apparently we failed to notice that MoR is awesome.
… or something like that.
What he’s claiming isn’t that the rest of us failed to notice that MoR is awesome, but that the rest of us failed to notice that MoR is awesome as a series of puzzle-solving rationality exercises.
Of course. The hard part about noticing your confusion isn’t recognizing it, when it is pointed out. It’s, you know, the noticing part. I tell you, I get a few points of karma for it, maybe, and everyone looses the opportunity to do it for themselves. Now, that’s negative sum!
I think one thing that keeps people from asking questions is the flinching from the uncertainty that may never get resolved. But that’s clearly not the case with MoR (unless Eliezer is evil, and his puzzles will never be resolved in-story). These are well stuctured puzzles leading us along (hell I’m identifying puzzle arcs), and we just have to make some effort.
I guess my sense of justice doesn’t like how something deep gets complains about surface stuff, when that surface can in fact be justified by the deeper stuff. Stupid sense of justice.
No, it just looks annoying. If you really wanted to prod thought, you’d offer the proverbial ‘hostage to fortune’ in the form of a hash precommitment to your NBT theory so you have verifiably expressed a particular theory well in advance of MoR ending and have exposed yourself to public ridicule in the event your theory is laughably wrong or you had none at all; knowing that you now have something at stake, people might take you more seriously.